So your king of America.... how do you fix it?

[Ted Striker]

Nice to see the usual Reactionaries are stirred up.

[Lancer]

"So your king of America.... how do you fix it? "

Abdicate.

[Muad'Dib]

1) Get the buget under control by instituting Zero Base Budgeting. We're sending the Ken Lays to prison for fiddling with the numbers, but OUR own government does it on a daily basis.

2) Control the borders. Don't need 140,000 troops in Europe anymore. Put them on the Canadian & Mexican borders. If 90 (mostly un-armed) volunteers on the Arizon-Mexico border can dramatical reduce illegal entry, what do you thinks the impact will be with thousands of heavily armed individuals.

3) Round up every damn line cutter (illegal alien) and deport their sorry asses back to their native country. If we can do it to the Native Americans & Japanese, we can do it again; we just need the will power or balls that we onced had.

4) Pull out of NAFTA, GATT, WTO, NATO, and give the UN 24 hours to get the hell out. Go to the Hague or Geneva. CAFTA, DOA.

5) Make Outsourcing a TREASONABLE offense. Americans come first. Not 3rd World **** holes or Communist Dictatorships.

6) Eliminate Income Taxes as a means of generating income to run the government. Institute a National Sales Tax.

7) Gut the Government. Education Department is now a Bureau in HHS, which goes back to being called HEW. Homeland Security gone. DEA & ATF gone--that's why we have the FBI. No cabinet level post for the Veterans Adminstration--reverts back to the Secretary of Defense. Eliminate duplication. For instance, there are currently 14 different job training programs run by the U.S.; 14 becomes 1.

8) Get out of the Ponzi business (Social Security). Merge all IRA, 401k, etc. into one national retirement account for each individual. Every time you change jobs, your new employer will ask you for your account on where contributions will go; yours and/or theirs. Set a time frame--all people born on this date will use the new plan. Means testing will be used on all current receipents of the current system so that only the truly needed will be paid out of Federal coffers for their old-age. No doubling-dipping for current receipents--goes hand-in-hand with means testing.

9) National Health Insurance For All. Currently only children and old people have government backed insurance. Everyone else is screwed; unless they're wealthy.

10) Reform the prisons. Stop sending non-violent criminals into prisons that house violent ones. Bring back chain gangs and the term Hard Time/Labor (currently only the miliatry sentences people to Hard Time/Labor. Since by this time every Line Cutter has been deported. Criminals will be used in certain industries that pay low wages that most Americans won't take (i.e. Meatpacking & Agricultural). No privileges unless you earn it. Because we will now be working your lazy butts into the ground, You WILL be TOO tired FOR extracurricular activities.

11) A National referendum will be held on the matter of legalizing drug use. Each individual drug currently on the prohibition list will have an up or down vote. Prohibitions on Gambling and Prostitution will be lifted. A National lottery will be created. Unlike current lotteries that have one winning number, Winners will be determined based on the amount of the jackpot (50% of revenues--the other 50% goes into the Federal treasury); one winner per million dollars. Each winner will be excluded for a yet to be determined time frame on when they will be eligible to be a winner (if lucky enough to win again).

[Kuciwalker]

[Vesayen]

Also great suggestions muadib.

[Odin]

Who's this Maud guy? Berz's evil Twin?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think Maud'dib's 11 point plan is actually found in the political platform of the American Fascist Party .

[Theben]

No, the populist parties of the right wing.

[BlackCat]

I though that the definition of a fascist party was that it was a right wing populist party. What did I miss ?

Besides, as far as I know there are only right wing parties in the US.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


Nice try though. Pretensiousness is always appreciated.

It must be you use a lot of these days

[Agathon]

This is comical

1) Get the buget under control by instituting Zero Base Budgeting. We're sending the Ken Lays to prison for fiddling with the numbers, but OUR own government does it on a daily basis.

So does every large organization. The cost of insituting this would in all likelihood be more than the expected savings.

2) Control the borders. Don't need 140,000 troops in Europe anymore. Put them on the Canadian & Mexican borders. If 90 (mostly un-armed) volunteers on the Arizon-Mexico border can dramatical reduce illegal entry, what do you thinks the impact will be with thousands of heavily armed individuals.

Watch the economy tank as no-one wants to do the jobs that these people are happy to do.

3) Round up every damn line cutter (illegal alien) and deport their sorry asses back to their native country. If we can do it to the Native Americans & Japanese, we can do it again; we just need the will power or balls that we onced had.

See #2. There's a reason that the government turns a blind eye to this – it's profitable.

4) Pull out of NAFTA, GATT, WTO, NATO, and give the UN 24 hours to get the hell out. Go to the Hague or Geneva. CAFTA, DOA.

In other words: instantly reduce by 90% the amount of influence that the United States has on other governments, and compel said governments to form a hostile bloc against the United States.

5) Make Outsourcing a TREASONABLE offense. Americans come first. Not 3rd World **** holes or Communist Dictatorships.

Will never happen. Americans like their cheap consumer goods too much.

6) Eliminate Income Taxes as a means of generating income to run the government. Institute a National Sales Tax.

Which just moves the tax on to those who can least afford to pay it.

7) Gut the Government. Education Department is now a Bureau in HHS, which goes back to being called HEW. Homeland Security gone. DEA & ATF gone--that's why we have the FBI. No cabinet level post for the Veterans Adminstration--reverts back to the Secretary of Defense. Eliminate duplication. For instance, there are currently 14 different job training programs run by the U.S.; 14 becomes 1.

This means that Americans will sit around holding their cocks waiting for the market to step in and do these necessary functions. They'll be waiting a long time as the main reason the government does them is that markets won't or won't to a necessary level.

8) Get out of the Ponzi business (Social Security). Merge all IRA, 401k, etc. into one national retirement account for each individual. Every time you change jobs, your new employer will ask you for your account on where contributions will go; yours and/or theirs. Set a time frame--all people born on this date will use the new plan. Means testing will be used on all current receipents of the current system so that only the truly needed will be paid out of Federal coffers for their old-age. No doubling-dipping for current receipents--goes hand-in-hand with means testing.

Watch people spend vastly more sums of money supporting their elderly relatives. Make everyone feel really lousy because they can't stand the idea that old people can't afford to eat or are dying from easily preventable ailments.

9) National Health Insurance For All. Currently only children and old people have government backed insurance. Everyone else is screwed; unless they're wealthy.

This is the first reasonable suggestion you have made. Unfortunately it seems to be completely at odds with #1-8.

10) Reform the prisons. Stop sending non-violent criminals into prisons that house violent ones.

That's a reasonable suggestion.

Bring back chain gangs and the term Hard Time/Labor (currently only the miliatry sentences people to Hard Time/Labor. Since by this time every Line Cutter has been deported. Criminals will be used in certain industries that pay low wages that most Americans won't take (i.e. Meatpacking & Agricultural). No privileges unless you earn it. Because we will now be working your lazy butts into the ground, You WILL be TOO tired FOR extracurricular activities.

You mean reinstitute slavery?

11) A National referendum will be held on the matter of legalizing drug use. Each individual drug currently on the prohibition list will have an up or down vote. Prohibitions on Gambling and Prostitution will be lifted. A National lottery will be created. Unlike current lotteries that have one winning number, Winners will be determined based on the amount of the jackpot (50% of revenues--the other 50% goes into the Federal treasury); one winner per million dollars. Each winner will be excluded for a yet to be determined time frame on when they will be eligible to be a winner (if lucky enough to win again).

What's wrong with the current lotteries?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I think Maud'dib's 11 point plan is actually found in the political platform of the American Fascist Party .

Looking at their website... :weird:

The philosophy of Fascism is flexible, all-inclusive and often complex. This treatise offers in the simplest of terms some answers to the most basic issues. For more information, feel free to contact us at AmericanFascist@aol.com

Race: The media, as well as the educational system, has told people for decades that Fascism is the same thing as the Nazi philosophies of Adolf Hitler. This is simply not true. Fascism, began in Italy by Benito Mussolini, actually opposed Nazi Germany before World War II. The American Fascist Party welcomes any American citizen, regardless of race, who wants to join. We are a party of Fascists, not racists, It's that simple.

Religion: Nothing tangles people up quicker than arguing over religion. The greatest of American patriots, our nations founding fathers, were correct in recommending the separation of church and state. We are a political organization, not a religious organization, and therefore prefer to adhere to that wisdom. Membership, regardless of religious beliefs, is welcomed in the AFP.

Government Structure: As it is obvious to most, the current government system has become a gang of self-serving crooks who have sold out our great nation and betrayed the trust of the American people. There are a few exceptional individuals, of course, but for the most part this is true. The AFP wants a strong moral government with a strong leader, however we are also well aware that, as Thomas Jefferson said, "government is best which governs least." We advocate a return to true states rights, individual responsibility, and individual freedom.

Economics: The government says everything is fine, and it is...for them. They continue to steal vast amounts of your money in the name of taxes, which they spend like water for nonsensical "projects," or, in many cases, on themselves. Further, our current economic base is tied to a world monetary system, subject to recession and depression. We should withdraw from this flawed system, and once again base the American economy on the productivity of the American worker.

Foreign Policy: Although we are not isolationists, the AFP belief is that our best foreign policy is to stay at home. Events over the past four decades certainly prove this. American troops are being used as pawns in an international chess game by cynical politicians whose only motive is profiteering greed. Veterans from the last several wars have been stabbed in the back; yet they're expected to be loyal to the government that betrayed them. If you have any further questions about this subject, just ask a vet.

Most people in this country know that "everything is upside-down." A true Fascist government in America would change all this. The AFP recognizes the "balance factor" in which, individual freedom is balanced with equal responsibility. National strength, military, economic, and political is balanced with the need to use such strength wisely, and with restraint. Productivity is balanced with a need to protect the environment.

If you agree with these sentiments, then congratulations, you may already be a Fascist! If you want to work against Communist treason and the U.N. dominated "New World Order," you just might belong in the American Fascist Party.

The two parts in particular made me do a double-take

[Shi Huangdi]

In addition to the cessation of Southern California, I would probably say:

- Have leading health economists form a commitee to discuss the best ways to control the spiraling costs of health care and get them down to a more managable level as other countries have, while still allowing the USA to remain a leader in medical research Implement and fund their reccomendations.

- Begin partial privitization of Social Security on the Model of other countries that have done so sucsessfully.

- Abolish the minimum wage, replace with a negative income tax, so as to remove side effects of employment from the minimum wage.

- Raise taxes to a level sufficent to remove the deficit and begin paying off the national debt. Amend constitution to require a 3/4 majority in each house of Congres for the government to run a deficit. While some would argue deficit spending could be an useful economic tool to use responsibly under some circumstances, the government can't be trusted to be responsible and so it's best to mandate this only be done in times of emergency.

- Build more high-speed long distance commuter rail to ease housing prices and traffic.

- Tighten Border Security as well as security at ports. Airport security seems pretty tight as it is.

- Increase Military spending so as to remove problems with soldiers having inadequate equippment, expand the Army's advertising budget. Expand aid to veterans.

-Continue prosecution of the war in Iraq until such a time when we feel the Iraqi government is able to handle the insurgency on it's own. Continue to train the Iraqi Army and Iraqi police. Increase direct aid to the Iraqi people in attempts to win hearts and minds. Appeal to foreign countries that although they might not have supported the war to begin with, it is important that we all collaborate in having democracy succeed in Iraq as the future of the Middle East depends on it.

- Reform the immigration system. Expel illegal immigrants, replace them with people facing persecution or disaster, such as the Darfur or tsunami victims. Make the centerpiece of our immigration policy getting people to our country who are facing political persecution or disaster, in place of economic migrants.

- Expand free trade agreements on a reciprocal basis.

- Increase pressure on Israel to remove illegal settlements, threaten witholding of aid or diplomatic sanctions to ensure compliance.

- Declare that the long-term purpose of our foreign policy is the spreading of democracy and human rights around the world, while acknowledging that in the short term it may be neccesary to collaborate with authoritarian regimes.

- Ban Abortion

- Reform the education system by increasing school discipline. Send students who show a pattern of being unruly and disruptive to alternative schools so that they don't disrupt others.

- Amend the Constitution, clarify the Second Amendment so that it specifies an individual right to own, maintain, and carry firearms(save for weapons such as RPGs and any weapon above an assault rifle) unless one is convicted of a felony.

- Reform the prison system. Ensure prisoners are supervised at all time. End any situations where any prisoner could have power over another or be able to exploit or assault another prisoner. Mandate hard labor for prisoners. Prison should be a bad and uncomftorable places, but the badness of the conditions should come from the prison authorities, not from each other. Under the current system strong prisoners can gain social standing and rewards by being strong, defiant, and by exploiting other prisoners- rewarding behavior which is exactly the opposite of what you need to reform your life. If it needs to be done, ban prisoners from conversing with one another.

- End drug prohibition.

- Only allow the death penalty in cases where it is believed that prison is insufficent to remove the threat posed by the convicted person.

- End Affirmative Action.

- Annihilate Fairfax County, VA

[Agathon]

Why is it that right wingers live in fantasy land?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Agathon
Why is it that right wingers live in fantasy land?

Do you really think that lefties are any better ? Actually some of the leftist fantasies scares the hell out of me