France to vote non on EU constitution

[Pekka]

Yeah adn we don't drink wine and eat croissants and have smelly armpits like you bastards. We don't even like you. We don't hate you, but we don't exactly like you. If there are folks we like, it could be the northern countries as a whole, and maybe some baltic people like Estonia we feel close to etc. But we don't have common identity, not even us.

You sound like Rooskies. They all must of thought that the eastern european countries liked being under the iron fist. **** they made a living out of it! And now it's surprising nobody likes them in those areas, and in some places blatant racism can ben seen, even hostility. You tell them they had common identity. You'll get your little commie rat faces smashed in. And that's just a small area.

Try to get it, and you are closer to being effective. You have to work with real life to become effective. SO you can have realistic plans. When you live in laalaaland, based on your own leftist circle jerk, you're nothing but sack of rotten plague cancer potatoes.

I wouldn't mind if you just got with the whole collectivity thing and all those ideas and things and started healing the places up. Instead you want to make everyone poor, a big ass welfare states for everyone, AND LIMITING OUR FREEDOM. That's why you are bastards, cowards, racistrs and ****ers and that's why I will equip myself and start attacking your brothers in strikes that will be brutal, painful and invisible, anywhere, anytime, I choose the fight the method and the outcome.

[Bereta_Eder]

Far rightist, american style (and probably under the influence)

[Pekka]

don't worry, you'll prolly never get it. Even Hitler thought he was right. Go on. Start implenting your rules and plans and see what happens. I can't wait myself.

[Pekka]

Hey, I'm sticking up for my freedoms. If that makes me right winger, then what ever.

Call me Satan, I'll be your worst enemy if your leftie pansies start any **** with me and my freedoms. You can call me what ever you want. I'll just call you ********ers.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
You sound like Rooskies. They all must of thought that the eastern european countries liked being under the iron fist. **** they made a living out of it! And now it's surprising nobody likes them in those areas, and in some places blatant racism can ben seen, even hostility. You tell them they had common identity. You'll get your little commie rat faces smashed in. And that's just a small area.

Interesting afactoid: In Poland, the European plans of the France-Germany coupe are quite widely feared as a new kind of Soviet Union. OTOH, the Poles are the ones who push the most for having a common European identity, based on Christianty.

The fear of a big bad soviet has nothing to do with cultural identity.

[Pekka]

" In Poland, the European plans of the France-Germany coupe are quite widely feared as a new kind of Soviet Union."

What do you mean IN POLAND? Most of us call this. We are not blind.

Hey but what ever. If you want to call retardness European Identity, what ever, you can have it. You can also have the billion dollars I give you. Here. Take it.. good.

The fear of the bear was not what I meant.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
What do you mean IN POLAND?

I think Poland has especially strong fears about it. And it's a convenient country to pick, considering how strongly they pushed for the EU to say that we have a common European culture, based on Christianty.

I'm sorry to go in the way of your rant, but the idea of collective identity has nothing to do with the support toward the Franco-German rule over Europe

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Pekka
" In Poland, the European plans of the France-Germany coupe are quite widely feared as a new kind of Soviet Union."

That sounds to me as the political elites playing that "card" to get the people more opposed to the EU and then "cash in" from that feeling at the european council meetings by being more intransigent.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by paiktis22
That sounds to me as the political elites playing that "card" to get the people more opposed to the EU and then "cash in" from that feeling at the european council meetings by being more intransigent.

It is possible. However, I think that there is a fertile ground for the idea to develop. Chirac has been extremely arrogant with the new EU countries, and the Poles' most symbolic European project (mentioning Christianty in the constitution) has been shot down by the French.

In the EU, it's easy not to see the concessions done by the others. If you ask the average Frenchlman, he'll be convinced that Poland does whatever it wants in order to steal our jobs and our growth.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Spiffor

It is possible. However, I think that there is a fertile ground for the idea to develop. Chirac has been extremely arrogant with the new EU countries, and the Poles' most symbolic European project (mentioning Christianty in the constitution) has been shot down by the French.

In the EU, it's easy not to see the concessions done by the others. If you ask the average Frenchlman, he'll be convinced that Poland does whatever it wants in order to steal our jobs and our growth.

Coming in the subject of negotiations attitudes I do think that the old members did have a negotiating sense heavily based on compromise, which is what kept the EU going. Not all of them and not all at the same level but most. The new EU countries do act sometimes without that spirit in the negotiations. But I think that's something that is acquired after participating long in those meetings. It's not like the EU is not a shameless endless mindboggling eastern bazaar but there was and is to an extend a definite spirit of compromise in the negotiations based on the assumption that a shared position is for the wider interest between the old member states.

[Pekka]

" but the idea of collective identity has nothing to do with the support toward the Franco-German rule over Europe"

So? Did I claim it had? Only thing I've been saying there is no european identity. I guess your identity is enough if it has some things, I wouldn't yet call it an identity. But I guess lefties are always cheap like that. I mean you do claim that Europe is behind you as well SO kind of exaggarating all the time. That's the illusions your little people have.

Talk is cheap. You don't prove any data at all, except Spiff did provide data to make my point actually... etc. Your world is small. It consists of you and your next door neighbour and that's the world to you. You have no apprecation for other people either.

I'll be back when you provide data and start relying your arguments on them, kind of the point if you want to be right you know. Before that you are nothing but hot air hippies.

Oh and PS. I'll gear up if the right wing starts to strip my freedoms also. I don't give a **** which one of you ****ers do it, the one who does it goes down.

Ta-ta!
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ps. bâton européen d'identité... il dans votre bout.

[DanS]

As much as I dislike the Economist, this week's cover is funny.

[Bereta_Eder]

It will be a surprise if it is a yes.

[DanS]

Peut-être oui, mon ami.

[Spiffor]

I still fear a Oui victory. If the Non voters grow complacent, they may very well get bitten in the ass.