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Real ID, which was slipped into an emergency appropriations bill, stipulates that by 2008 all driver's licences or equivalent ID must include a machine-readable name, a digitised photograph, address, social security number, a digitised birth certificate and signature. If you don't have an ID card you won't be allowed on planes, trains or buses, or in government buildings. The Department of Homeland Security is to decide what reading technology will be used. One possibility is RFID tags that can be read from a few metres away without you ever realising.
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Unbelievable. How can they just quietly pass that without any fuss?Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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There was fuss...it was just quiet fuss, because nobody in Washington will vote against funding for Iraq (which is what this was attached to.)"In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, Hyperion -
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Maybe because the Yanks aren't as puzzlingly paranoid as the Brits on the issue?Originally posted by MikeH
Unbelievable. How can they just quietly pass that without any fuss?
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If you don't have an ID card you won't be allowed on planes
I hope Americans protest quietly by not getting one.
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What has an ID card scheme got to do with funding for Iraq?Safer worlds through superior firepowerComment
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I don't understand how that could be allowed.
If the government tried that here they'd get totally destroyed in parliment.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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meanwhile, in our country the government has revealed that our new ID cards will now cost £100, and all the forms of indentification (eye scans, finger prints and 'face imaging') have big problems.
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This is fairly British-specific, you know.Originally posted by MikeH
If the government tried that here they'd get totally destroyed in parliment."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Are you saying that everywhere else in the world other than the UK a government could slip such an incredibly far reaching bill on the back of a routine funding bill and get it throughwithout their parliment/senate or equivalent voting it out?
If so go us! But I'm sure that's not true.
If the reason is that US politicians won't vote against Iraq funding no matter what else is attached then that's absolutely disgraceful and unbelievably gutless of them.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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Re: More freedom slips away from our American cousins
I dunno. You tell me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevent...orism_Act_2005Originally posted by MikeH
Unbelievable. How can they just quietly pass that without any fuss?Last edited by DinoDoc; May 26, 2005, 09:19.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Probably not "everywhere else" (certainly not in countries with a strong Anglo political tradition), but in most other countries indeed. There is no outrage whatsoever in the countries that already have an ID, and there are only a few countries thathave no ID AND a British-like tradition of liberalism.Originally posted by MikeH
Are you saying that everywhere else in the world other than the UK a government could slip such an incredibly far reaching bill on the back of a routine funding bill and get it throughwithout their parliment/senate or equivalent voting it out?"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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It could have been anything they passed from the sounds of it.
Having to show your pass to get on a bus, train, aeroplane or any government building goes FAR beyond what most countries require out of an ID card. (although ID for a plane, even on internal flights is normal after 11/9)
One of the countries that have no id and a British-like sense of Liberalism has always been the US!Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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I don't really see the point of this act though. I already have a machine readable driver's liscense. Why impose another level of added burden on States?
But the faux outrage that MikeH was spewing about how stupid laws can pass a nation's law making body, was a little much to swallow.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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In Germany you can't get on a plane or into a government building without ID. Neither should you be involved in a traffic accident without having your ID with you because if someone calles the cops they weant to know who you are. Without ID, they have a right to keep you at the station for 24 hours from the beginning of the next day. It's not usually enforced this way, but if you're obnoxious and have no ID, you can quickly be fvcked
the practical consequence for citiezens is only one: we always have our ID cards with us.Comment
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