If you use BitTorrent, the terrorists have won...

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Star Trek TOS can be got for 50 bucks off Ebay

[KrazyHorse]

Star Trek isn't worth my money.

[Fake Boris]

EDIT: Pekka

You can't be that dense. Clearly the ad wants to convince people that piracy is theft.

In the following sentence: "would you steal from a supermarket", the idea is theft, not replication!

Your point that they should have said "would you replicate an object on which there is a copyright" is completely meaningless, because this is the exact behavior that they want to pass as stealing!

You can disagree with them, but claiming that their analogy is flawed is NOT a sufficient argument; they don't want to say that stealing from a supermarket and copying protected stuff is the same in the form of a 1:1 identity, they want to say that both meet (unnammed) sufficient condition X for theft.

Your post COMPLETELY failed to address the object of the campaign.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Correct, but it changes nothing. The owner still doesn't lose anything.

There's something interesting I found on /. a few days ago:



I am not sure if this is true or not. If this is true, this simply says making copies of digital content is not theft.

that's not current law, at least as far as electronic media is concerned

Basically that case involved the selling and distribution of bootleg elvis videos. SOCUS held that the law at the time didn't apply to the case-that the gov't was going further than congress intended.

the US Congress passed 17 U.S.C. 506 originally in 97, I believe, which closed these loopholes. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...6----000-.html

This is from a brief reading by me, I haven't looked into this thoroughly, and can't tonight unfortunately.

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[asleepathewheel]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Downloading music is not theft. Theft involves the owner losing something.

QUOTE]

what about losing the ability to control one's work and who reaps its benefits?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Downloading music is not theft. Theft involves the owner losing something. No, potential revenue doesn't count.

That's a very shallow view of property- property also extends to a person's right over his work, hence the very possibility of intellectual property.

If you really believe that intellectual property does not exist, then you basically agree that GPLs are meaningless- because even a GPL supposes that the releaser holds the original rights over the object.

[Pekka]

"Your point that they should have said "would you replicate an object on which there is a copyright" is completely meaningless, because this is the exact behavior that they want to pass as stealing!"

exactly. **** it must be stealing then since their analogy is wrong but they say it so convincingly and THEY DO HAVE A POINT. Duh?

"You can disagree with them, but claiming that their analogy is flawed is NOT a sufficient argument"

Please do notify me where I stated piracy is not any kidn of theft, in sense of taking stuff to you? I haven't taken any sides to it at all. It's definitely not a sufficient argument to say you are not stealing, but then again I was debating about the analogy, and that their campagn is not accurate.

of course it 'failed' to address the object of the campagn. It's their campagn. All I care they could have the goal to air the same video, and want people to show boobies at traffic lights. Did I fail to fit their material to their agenda? OH crap yes I did, because I pointed out it doesn't fit the material 1:1.

Which was my point.

[Fake Boris]

Which was my point.

But HOW does it relate to their campaign? why do we even need you to say that blue isn't monkey?

Have you ever heard of rhetorical figures? When people say two things are identical, they seldom mean to assert an identity relationship; rather they want to point out a similar characteristic between two objects and put emphasis on it within a relevant context (i.e, software piracy).

If you blame the campaign for not using the most accurate logical identity, then basically you are taking the absolutely inane position of claiming the best they could have done, is to say something to the order of: "When you copy protected stuff, you copy protected stuff", which is a very nice analytical truth, however it bears little practical use.

[Pekka]

""When you copy protected stuff, you copy protected stuff", which is a very nice analytical truth, however it bears little practical use."

Yeah? So? I wasn't making any further claims. Except that it would make their campagn real. I didn't imagine it would be so difficult to grasp.. ?

[DRoseDARs]

I posted this thread then had to leave for work, but I have time to respond now. I've tried BitTorrent before for "things" and I was very underwhelmed by the experience. Frankly, it's been a few years since I really bothered with p2p in "that" capacity. I get "things" every once-in-a-while, but I'm just not that interested anymore.

No, that's not why I posted this thread. What got my attention was that the FBI and US Immigration officals expended resources on something that should have been left to the MPAA. Obviously, they solved the mystery of who's responcible for the 2001 anthrax scare, have rounded-up hundreds of people in dozens of terrorist cells throughout the country, and have successfully solved the illegal immigrant problem along the US-Mexican border. Clearly, they had too much time and taxpayer money on their hands, so they had to make themselves busy somehow. Being the tool of the MPAA was the logical result.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Verto


If a band is not popular and mainstream, then it is not good.

How naive and clueless. There are around 4-6 major record labels which form a distrubition oligarchy in the US. They control around 90% of all distrubutions and they don't like carrying to many bands which compete head to head with one another. That means that even if a really good band pops up they aren't likely to sign them since they don't want to much competition for the bands which they've already heavily hyped & promoted. You know the really good bands like the backstreet boys or Brtney Speers.

If you bothered to look then you'd know that nearly all the innovation and original sound comes from the underground. That's where the great artists are and that's where the best music is but you won't hear it on the radio because the few corporate owners which now own most of the stations only play top 40 since it is bland and poppy and it doesn't upset anyone. The people who keep their nose to the ground and who watch the internet are the ones who pick up on the great undiscovered bands and more and more it is releases and word of mouth on the internet which is pushing them to stardom.

[aneeshm]

Please answer my question - is copying wrong if the content that you are copying is not available where you live , though you are willing to pay for it ?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah? So? I wasn't making any further claims. Except that it would make their campagn real. I didn't imagine it would be so difficult to grasp.. ?

So it was absurd humor then?

But anyway here's what you said:

Just shooting down few broken analogues, like for example the most popular argument.

So basically any analogy that isn't an identity is broken?

[Fake Boris]

Oerdin, you might have fallen for sarcasm.