Mugabe to white farmers: "Oops, my bad"

[Kuciwalker]

I also don't really see a moral obligation to return property stolen generations ago.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I also don't really see a moral obligation to return property stolen generations ago.

What are your beliefs? For instance. Do you hate terrorists but love the inequality that causes it.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Pax

What are your beliefs? For instance. Do you hate terrorists but love the inequality that causes it.

cool phrase

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Pax
What are your beliefs? For instance. Do you hate terrorists but love the inequality that causes it.

[Shi Huangdi]

It's a tragic result we see here. Hopefully however the fate of Zimbabwe will discourage South Africa from going down a similar path.

[Pax]

I agree. But something has to be done about the economic state of blacks in Africa. Equality is in name only if the people don't have the same social and economic opportunities as the whites in Africa.

[Kuciwalker]

And so of course the solution is blanket redistribution of productive farmland from those who can work it effectively to those who cannot/will not.

[Lefty Scaevola]

New Zimbabwe economic plan.

http://www.satirewire.com/briefs/aaa_zimbabwe.shtml

[Lefty Scaevola]

And its free and fair election.

http://www.satirewire.com/briefs/zimbabwe.shtml

[Q Classic]

Damn, Mugabe's one funny guy.

Mugabe

[atomant]

Originally posted by Pax
I agree. But something has to be done about the economic state of blacks in Africa. Equality is in name only if the people don't have the same social and economic opportunities as the whites in Africa.

The problem is that the new, post colonial, governments stole from the weathly (and everyone else) and redistributed the wealth to themselves. The only thing liberation did was create a class of rich black individuals, rather than a redistribution of wealth. You can't blame 25 years of economic mismanagement on one ethnic group when rampant corruption and lack of good governance is the problem.

As for South Africa not following the Zimbabwe route. Well this assumes that people actual learn from their history lessons. My example that proves otherwise is as follows: Tanzania (tried socialist principles)--> led to economic ruin. Malawi, got independence after Tanzania (tried socialist principles) --> led to economic ruin. Zambia, got independence around the same time as Malawi, (tried socialist principles) ---> led to economic ruin. Zimbabwe, got independence after Zambia (tried socialist principles) ---> economic ruin. South Africa, Dabbling in socialist principles ----> economy running good at the moment, but leading economic and social indicators point to (you guessed it) economic ruin.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
And so of course the solution is blanket redistribution of productive farmland from those who can work it effectively to those who cannot/will not.

I don't think the idea you're proposing is going to work kuciwalker.

[Pax]

Originally posted by atomant


The problem is that the new, post colonial, governments stole from the weathly (and everyone else) and redistributed the wealth to themselves. The only thing liberation did was create a class of rich black individuals, rather than a redistribution of wealth. You can't blame 25 years of economic mismanagement on one ethnic group when rampant corruption and lack of good governance is the problem.

As for South Africa not following the Zimbabwe route. Well this assumes that people actual learn from their history lessons. My example that proves otherwise is as follows: Tanzania (tried socialist principles)--> led to economic ruin. Malawi, got independence after Tanzania (tried socialist principles) --> led to economic ruin. Zambia, got independence around the same time as Malawi, (tried socialist principles) ---> led to economic ruin. Zimbabwe, got independence after Zambia (tried socialist principles) ---> economic ruin. South Africa, Dabbling in socialist principles ----> economy running good at the moment, but leading economic and social indicators point to (you guessed it) economic ruin.

I don't think that socialism is the root of the problem. I agree that good governance is the one key to solving this problem. I also think that the problem is how the countries were set up. I believe that the colonial powers set these countries up to be weak and the colonial powers also did not make enough effort to give these countries enough of there resources back to stand on their own 2 feet.
It's just like in the play by George Bernard Shaw. "In order for Britain to be #1 the status quo must be maintained." Another good book to read about post colonialism in africa is a grain of wheat by Ngugi wa Thiongo.

[Bosh]

There's smart land reform and there's stupid land reform. Post-WW II land reform in Japan, Korea and Taiwan worked out quite well and pretty much destroyed the parasitical rural landlord class. What's happening in Zimbabwe is stupid land reform and is making things worse for just about everyone involved.

[atomant]

Originally posted by Pax
It's just like in the play by George Bernard Shaw. "In order for Britain to be #1 the status quo must be maintained." Another good book to read about post colonialism in africa is a grain of wheat by Ngugi wa Thiongo.

Instead of reading a book, try living there. I did for six years.

I prefer primary source material, rather than rely on someone elses interpretation.