10 most rightist posters on poly

[Solly]

I am the most right

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
I am the most WRONG

DEFINITELY, not maybe.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

But the rightist postion is that the individual in more important

No it isn't. Pinochet didn't believe that. Monarchists in Europe (ie, rightists) don't believe that.

Really, the division between left and right is simply the view each side places on tradition. The right embraces it and the left disdains it in favor of 'progress'. Moderates think tradition and progress can co-exist (to a certain point). There is a reason conservative is spelled with 'conserve'. They aren't conserving the environment now.

By your definitions, Ned, Ramo would be right wing, since he is an anarchist, who hate the state.

In a sense this is true. In a sense it is not. If a government is radical and for change, in your opinion, it is leftist. But that would place Nazi Germany at the far left because of its radicalism.

If conservatism is being wedded to the past only, it is inherently neither left or right if one looks at the relationships of people vs. their government in economic, social and political matters. Just being conservative does not tell me anything about what the proper role of government is in the economy, etc. The past includes the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire. It includes both King Charles and Cromwell.

Your view of left-right is that change should be prudent. I don't disagree at all. But this is not how I think of left and right.

[Kidlicious]

Communists don't believe that the state is more important that the individual. People who have a diminished view of the individual are nationalists, statists, and certain cultures who can't really be labeled. It has nothing to do with left and right.

[DarkCloud]

Really, the division between left and right is simply the view each side places on tradition. The right embraces it and the left disdains it in favor of 'progress'. Moderates think tradition and progress can co-exist (to a certain point). There is a reason conservative is spelled with 'conserve'. They aren't conserving the environment now.

Well, the american definitions of those two terms has differed quite a bit from the normal and the international definitons. Nowadays it seems that the conservatives are:

1.) Moral Absolutist Traditionalists
2.) Interventionists in Foreign Affairs (this is most blatantly NOT a traditional Republican/Conservative idea as of the 1920s etc. since it was the republicans who kept the US out of the League of Nations)
3.) National Patriotism+Homogenity ('different' people whether they be homosexuals, immigrants, etc. are disdained according to policy.)

liberals are, however, much as you defined them- though I think they drift more towards this:
1.) Moral Relativists
2.) Individual Freedoms
3.) Interventionists in Foreign Affairs

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Frankly American Republicans have no business being Interventionists- that's part of the Liberal Agenda.

[Agathon]

Conservatism seeks to preserve that which has proved worthwhile from previous revolutions.

And this is my objection: without some independent criterion of what is worthwhile, this is a ridiculous statement that is subject to obvious counterexamples.

I think my definition is more accurate: conservatives strive to ensure inequality.

[Drake Tungsten]

The Chinese acquiesced in the Japanese assumption of authority over not only Formosa/Taiwan, but also the Ryukyu Islands, which had previously traditionally sent envoys to pay tribute to the Chinese emperor.

China also had to pay an indemnity of 500 000 taels.

In 1878 the Ryukyu Islands were officially surrendered to Japan.

You would do well to find more detailed sources. The Ryukus had been a possession of the Satsuma han in Kyushu for centuries. The Satsuma leaders allowed the Ryukus to continue paying tribute to China in order to keep open lucrative trade that benifited Satsuma greatly, but there was no doubt about who the Ryukus really belonged to.

The most significant change in status for this time period came in 1609 with the invasion of the Ryukyus by the Satsuma-han of Japan. In this time period, Satsuma took control of the Ryukyus from the Ryukyuan monarchy, and placed the northern islands of Amami under direct Satsuma rule, while allowing the rest of the kingdom to remain under a sort of semi-colonial jurisdiction.

The rest of the Ryukyu Kingdom, however, was able to maintain some appearances of sovereignty despite the nature of their domination by the Satsuma domain. For the most part, the Sho dynasty, which had previously ruled the Ryukyu Kingdom, was able to remain intact along with its administrative structures. This occurred largely because it was in Satsuma's political and economic trade interests to keep up the pretense that the Ryukyu Kingdom was still an independent nation. Since the Ryukyu Kingdom had been able to maintain economic trade relations with China, and Japan had broken off those same relations, Satsuma had a vested interest in keeping up Ryukyuan trade activities with China in order to economically prosper. To that end, the Ryukyus proved indispensable, since by practicing the deception that the Ryukyus were still an independent nation free from Japanese control, Satsuma was able to use the Ryukyus as a means in which to trade Japanese goods with China.

http://www.uchinanchu.org/uchinanchu/history_early.htm

As for WWI, you must be correct in saying that Japan acted completely on its own intiative, with no input from the British. Why else would the Japanese navy be protecting British interests in Singapore during the war?

Japanese warships rendered a new form of assistance to Great Britain in February 1915, when they helped to suppress a revolt by Indian soldiers stationed in Singapore.

Japanese warships operating from Singapore guarded the South China Sea, Sulu Sea, and Dutch East Indies throughout the year.

Or sending a fleet to the Med to help the British?

Japan rendered vital, worldwide naval support to Great Britain during the First World War, culminating in the service of Japan’s first and only Mediterranean squadron. This long-forgotten Japanese flotilla fought alongside allied warships throughout the most critical period of the struggle against German and Austro-Hungarian U-boats in 1917 and 1918.

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review/2000/winter/art3-w00.htm

I'd go on, but it's time for bed here...

[Kuciwalker]

Your definition is idiotic and blatantly self-serving.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Your definition is idiotic and blatantly self-serving.

You don't have a better one.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Other pleasant Chinese terms for the Japanese had been 'dwarf barbarians' and 'robber pirates'- but of course that had been when there were powerful Chinese dynasties, and China could afford to act superior.

Not quite.

The term "robber pirates" came from Japanese pirates attacking Chinese merchant ships at sea and pillage coastal villages with the intent of weakening China and scaring the people.

In modern terms it would be "terrorism."

These pirates were mostly ronins, bums, and assorted low-life from Japan.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You don't have a better one.

An attempt to maintain the status quo, whether that means preserving inequality or equality.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
An attempt to maintain the status quo, whether that means preserving inequality or equality.

There hasn't ever been equality.

[DarkCloud]

And there can never be equality.

Conservatives deal in practical proven data and experiences that they know work! And which will ensure the functioning of the government/society

Liberals deal with unproven new ideas which they think can solve old problems and perhaps completely reform/remake government/society.

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Both have their place.
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As a side note: George Bush is a Liberal- at least on foreign policy.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Winston
And we mustn't forget PLATO!

Hehe. True conservatism and right wing "bat****" are miles apart. I am conservative but not right wing!

Thanks for the mention though!!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
Conservatives deal in practical proven data and experiences that they know work!

For them, meaning maintaining inequality.