10 most leftish posters of Poly

[Bosh]

The only point you have made is that the current government of the PRC has strayed from the Little Red Book... a little bit.

A little bit? Go to Shanghai. McDonald's all over the place, a real estate speculation boom, insurance companies by the dozen, foreign investors by the truckload, stock exchanges. A little bit??! What?!?!?

They are still the same people, by and large, who thought a cultural revolution was a good thing

Not at all. The cultural revolution are largely people that were wacked around during the cultural revolution, not the Red Guard types. Basically Mao thought that the bureaucracy had gotten to cautious, entrenched and not communist enough and launched the Cultural Revolution as a way of lighting a fire under the bureaucracy's ass and stirring things up (something that the bureaucracy did not appreciate very much). The current Chinese government is the heirs of the bureaucrats who reasserted their power, got rid of the Gang of Four and disbanded the Red Gaurds, not the Red Guards who were ****ing **** up. This doesn't make the current leadership good people, but linking them to the Cultural Revolution is laughable.

Land is still owned only by the state.

This is specifically communist how?

Dissent is still crushed.

This is specifically communist how?

If you are trying to argue that things have changed in a permanent and material way, you have not made the case.

The repressive government apparatus is still in place, but while communist governments are all repressive dictatorships, being a repressive dictatorship hardly makes a country communist.

Also in many many ways the PRC is far to the right of Europe and even the US (crime and punishment, cultural policies, gay rights, environment, workplace safety regulations, labor rights, the list goes on and on and on).

No, but I am saying that about a particular system where the peasants CAN'T own the land.

I don't understand what point you are making here.

[Bosh]

And I expect that you'd have me believe that this is a scene from a typical communist city

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Bosh
And I expect that you'd have me believe that this is a scene from a typical communist city

Commies in denial.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Vince278


Commies in denial.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Bosh


Mao et al are a whole other story and I'm not really interested in the interminable debate about wether they were true communists or not. HOWEVER, you'd have to be insane to argue that the PRC IN ITS CURRENT INCARNATION is communist or even leftist. In fact the PRC, as it exists today, is probably one of the least leftist countries around. Thus I find it very very strange that people seem to think that supporters of the current PRC goverment (like UR) are leftist.

Baffles me too. UR has espoused quite a few opinions that are directly contradictory to what the CCP does and believes in, yet he supports that government wholly and hops on every anti-American thread he can get.

[Provost Harrison]

You know what I see? I see that the legacy of McCarthy and Reagan still live strongly in certain individuals. Even the very mention of the word 'communism' can induce a rabid foam in the mouth of certain individuals who won't argue about the issue but just hiss and spit. It's rather alarming...

[JohnT]

You know what I see? I see that the legacy of Stalin and Mao still live strongly in certain individuals. Even the very mention of the word 'capitalism' can induce a rabid foam in the mouth of certain individuals who won't argue about the issue but just hiss and spit. It's rather alarming...

[Provost Harrison]

Wow, John, you're so clever, can I be your apprentice?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Not leftists in the least? Really? Well then why don't you answer the issue of why the peasants do not own their own land?

What does leftism have to do with depriving lower classes of property ownership?

[Dauphin]

PH & JT. You're both right.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Ahh, the familiar refrains of the lament for wasted dreams and scorched chances that communists are so fond of...

'No siree, neither the USSR nor the PRC are, nor ever were communist. You'll have to give us another chance to introduce gulags and cultural revolutions to see what we are REALLY capable of!'

Forgive me if I do not line up to buy a ticket.

Is the Ivory Coast capitalist? Ukraine?

[Provost Harrison]

I don't think Zimbabwe is strictly a good one to pick at this point mate

[Fake Boris]

my first DanS ever.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Wow, John, you're so clever, can I be your apprentice?

One blind stereotype deserves another, dontcha think?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by JohnT


One blind stereotype deserves another, dontcha think?

An observation of behaviour, not a stereotype...besides how can it be a stereotype when I referred to 'certain individuals'. I think you ought to choose your words more carefully...