Hey Swedes, how much truth to this?

[Pekka]

Speaking the language should be like the minimum requirement, the very least you can do. I don't know if stopping the immigration would solve anything, but putting a cap on it for a while so you could control the evolution of things better for few years so you could prevent isolationism and make integration work better.

And those who don't want to integrate but make trouble only and pick up the welfare cheque, throw their asses out.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Pekka
The isolation is happening, and there definitely are some elements that are worrying, like the extreme hatred against native Sweden. Why don't you throw those ****ers out who just keep destroying stuff? An ultimatum to their parents, 'if you can't keep your kids in control, we assume you are encouraging this action, and therefore we are forced to deport you and your family'.. Simple. Just throw the problem folks out if they repeat it all the time and are going for PUNK career. Let them cry for amnesty international, it didn't seem to be a problem when arsoning stuff and attacking firemen and old people.

We can't deport criminals because then they risk getting in trouble in their home countries. We have to help them, they are just innocent victims of the society, you know.

[Winston]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
In Sweden we have 1-5% muslims (depending on how you count)

I think the number of third world countries immigrants + descendants is a more relevant one in this context than the number of Muslims, and I read recently that one 1 in 9 inhabitants of Sweden were from that group.

[Pekka]

Yeah I know what you say.. PC PC PC.... what can I say.. if it was me, I'd shead a tear and say too bad, bye bye, don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. Not of course to all crimes, or one single crime, but for these PUNKS who are nothing BUT trouble. And their family too. The whole bunch. We may unite them again in their destination country if the punk needs to go a little faster without going to the terminal A first.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah I know what you say.. PC PC PC.... what can I say.. if it was me, I'd shead a tear and say too bad, bye bye, don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. Not of course to all crimes, or one single crime, but for these PUNKS who are nothing BUT trouble. And their family too. The whole bunch. We may unite them again in their destination country if the punk needs to go a little faster without going to the terminal A first.

I agree. As long as the PC policy allows these punks to roam around freely it will only strengthen the stereotype that immigrants are criminals, making all those who don't cause any trouble to be alienated.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Winston
I think the number of third world countries immigrants + descendants is a more relevant one in this context than the number of Muslims, and I read recently that one 1 in 9 inhabitants of Sweden were from that group.

I think we have about 10% foreign born in Sweden, mostly from Finland, middle-east and former Yugoslavia. Their kids make up another ~10% of the total population.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
The story is based on reality for sure, but it's very exaggerated. In Sweden we have 1-5% muslims (depending on how you count) so "Eurabia" won't happen anytime soon here. The problem is less with the immigrants themselves but more with our government who is beyond PC. This stuff about teaching kids in Arabic is just one of many silly stories where good intentions end up preventing integration, and then they blame the failure on the evil racist Swedes

Easily the most intelligent post on this thread...

Anyway, its inevitable that large-scale immigration will lead the breakdown of a lot of European welfare states (at least in the medium term), due to the "OMG! all of X people are taking all of our welfare $'s!!!!" effect that we saw a lot of in the states a while back...

[Winston]

I found the sorce for the 1 in 9 third world immigrants figure. It's in this article (Danish) from Berlingske Tidende of 16 March 2005, referencing another (front page) article by Christopher Caldwell of the leading Conservative American magazine The Weekly Standard, dated 28 February 2005.

According to Caldwell, who travelled to Malmö, 40% of the population of that city is foreign, and in south-eastern Malmö, 80% of school girls wear head scarfs.

He reports that "Of 9 million Swedes, roughly 1,080,000 are foreign-born. There are between 800,000 and 900,000 children of immigrants, between 60,000 and 100,000 illegal immigrants, and 40,000 more asylum-seekers awaiting clearance."

[duke o' york]

But loads of the "immigrants" to Britain are actually British people coming back. How does this affect the Swedish figures?

[Winston]

As an aside, interestingly enough after having spent half an hour searching the web sites of Swedish Migrationsverket, Statistiska Centralbyron and several newspapers' archives for figures on the total immigration to Sweden, I found... nothing.

[Winston]

Just for further clarification: I recalled the figure as being third world immigrants, whereas in reality, Caldwell uses the term "foreign-born".

Still, by adding the figures of his article, we have a total of roughly 2,050,000 "foreign-born" and descendants thereof, out of a population of just over 9 million. That translates to 22-23%, of which I would guess at least 75% have their roots in the Third World, so that's easily ~17% of the population, but probably closer to 20%.

Coupled with another ~50,000 being granted permission to stay each year - yes, I could see some problems arising in the long run.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Winston
That translates to 22-23%, of which I would guess at least 75% have their roots in the Third World, so that's easily ~17% of the population, but probably closer to 20%.

http://www.scb.se/templates/Publikation____119727.asp

It turns out that we have 1.100.262 foreign-born people and 326.031 children of foreign-born parents, for a grand total of 1.426.293 people with non-Swedish background, which is 15.8% of the total population.

If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you can also see that Haparanda is the only town with a non-Swedish majority. Damn Evil Finns are taking over our country!

[Tattila the Hun]

Suddenly, the articles in SE-magazine don't sound that stupid...



(A monthly (?) finnish magazine, which had suspicious amounts of "foreigners are stealing our jobs, they don't work for living, they steal our women, and they smell bad"-articles, mostly about somalians.)

[Winston]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
It turns out that we have 1.100.262 foreign-born people and 326.031 children of foreign-born parents, for a grand total of 1.426.293 people with non-Swedish background, which is 15.8% of the total population.

300,000 children for 1,100,000 immigrants seems very, very low. Sounds like they only included offspring who are not yet adults or some other distinction. The 800-900,000 figure given in the article seems much more plausible compared to the total number of immigrants.

[Combat Ingrid]

That's Swedish-born children of foreign-born parents.
The fact is that those armies of kids you see around some immigrants are mostly born before they came here. Once here, their fertility rates become more similar to those of the native Swedes. The picture below may be interesting to you. It shows that only women from countries with low human development index/HDI (think Somalia) have fertility rates significantly above replacement level.