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    Ask to describe the French and France's neighbors automatically start saying very unkind things. In fact you'd almost think they were talking about Americans but instead it is France. I'm still wondering what someone has to do in order for people in Sweden to think you are immoral since Swedes.

    Originally Posted by Telegraph
    By Henry Samuel in Paris
    (Filed: 17/05/2005)

    Language, history, cooking and support for rival football teams still divide Europe. But when everything else fails, one glue binds the continent together: hatred of the French.

    Typically, the French refuse to accept what arrogant, overbearing monsters they are.

    But now after the publication of a survey of their neighbours' opinions of them at least they no longer have any excuse for not knowing how unpopular they are.

    Why the French are the worst company on the planet, a wry take on France by two of its citizens, dredges up all the usual evidence against them. They are crazy drivers, strangers to customer service, obsessed by sex and food and devoid of a sense of humour.

    But it doesn't stop there, boasting a breakdown, nation by nation, of what in the French irritates them.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, Britons described them as "chauvinists, stubborn, nannied and humourless". However, the French may be more shocked by the views of other nations.

    For the Germans, the French are "pretentious, offhand and frivolous". The Dutch describe them as "agitated, talkative and shallow." The Spanish see them as "cold, distant, vain and impolite" and the Portuguese as "preaching". In Italy they comes across as "snobs, arrogant, flesh-loving, righteous and self-obsessed" and the Greeks find them "not very with it, egocentric bons vivants".

    Interestingly, the Swedes consider them "disobedient, immoral, disorganised, neo-colonialist and dirty".

    But the knockout punch to French pride came in the way the poll was conducted. People were not asked what they hated in the French, just what they thought of them.

    "Interviewees were simply asked an open question - what five adjectives sum up the French," said Olivier Clodong, one of the study's two authors and a professor of social and political communication at the Ecole Superieur de Commerce, in Paris. "The answers were overwhelmingly negative."

    According to Mr Clodong, the old adage that France is wonderful, it's just the French who are the problem, is shared across Europe.

    "We are admired for our trains, the Airbus and Michelin tyres. But the buck stops there," he said.

    Another section of the study deals with how the French see the rest of Europe.

    "Believe it or not, the English and the French use almost exactly the same adjectives to describe each other - bar the word 'insular'," Mr Coldong said. "So the feelings are mutual."
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  • #2
    @ the Greek description
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    • #3
      Why can't we get along with Europe and unite against the true threat in our midst: France?
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      • #4
        Because President Bush and his administration is as bad as France.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #5
          I don't so much dislike France or the French, but if I had to dig up negativity, I'd point out the same as the Swedes. Then again, us northeners are used to clean everything, so everything away from here is often seen as dirty because it is, disobidient yes yes this is true at least in EU, not well organised, again true but depends who you compare to, and neo-colonialist ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE BUTTON!

          Bravo Swedes.

          But I don't dislike France or French. But they are dirty, disorganised, messy, jingoist neo-colonialists and not admitting it but bashing US instead.



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          • #6
            "Believe it or not, the English and the French use almost exactly the same adjectives to describe each other - bar the word 'insular'," Mr Coldong said. "So the feelings are mutual."
            I always thought it was a weird quirk of history that the English and French were united in two huge wars against the Germans, when in day-to-day relations, both the English and French despise each other with more passion than either dislike the Germans...
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            • #7
              YAY SWEDEN!

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              • #8
                it's the hatred of close relations

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                • #9
                  They should have open relations.
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                  • #10
                    It's amazing how europe starts to forgive the germans only 60 and 90 years after 2 wars while the french are hated without even starting a war against all of europe!
                    Great job France!

                    I never understood how anybody could prefer Chiraq (along with Putin and that chinese dude!!!!) above Bush during the iraq war already. oh well......

                    You know what the problem is overhere in europe, just a single example. In europe everybody speaks english but the french. The french think their language is the important language.
                    When there's a united broadcast like the eurovision songthingy (every year, don't watch it, waste of time)
                    Everything is declared in English and french!!! WTF! English and French!

                    French for the french and english for the rest of europe!
                    Why also in french? It's not as if it's done in english and german. Which would be fair! Since the german language is the 2nd language of europe. (spoken in germany, austria, swis and belgium) french is only spoken in france and belgium. total number: far below the german number.

                    But the germans don't care, they say: "English is good enough"
                    Oh my, I'll stop here. Please world: promise me one thing: never follow the lead of the power-hungry french ever again

                    chiraq or bush?
                    bush x 1000!!!!!!

                    am I ranting?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CyberShy
                      It's amazing how europe starts to forgive the germans only 60 and 90 years after 2 wars while the french are hated without even starting a war against all of europe!
                      Great job France!
                      Uhm, do the names Louis XIV or Napoleon ring a bell, by any chance?

                      I never understood how anybody could prefer Chiraq (along with Putin and that chinese dude!!!!) above Bush during the iraq war already. oh well......
                      Because they didn't (want to) start a war over a 'pack of lies', to quote a certain British MP? No, let me amend that quote: a pack of blatant lies.

                      Because in war everybody loses?

                      Because everyone with an ounce of knowledge of the situation in Iraq (including American intelligence) had predicted that the current mess would be the most likely (if not inevitable) outcome?

                      Because Bush violated international law?

                      You're entirely free to prefer Bush over Chiraq or Putin (it's a choice between three evils, really, everyone will at the very least understand where you're coming from), but to boldly state that noone in a right state of mind could possibly have any other opinion -- that's is a bit... shall I say unsophisticated?
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                      • #12
                        Locotus: of course the french have a history in europe, but I mean: modern history has the germans as the evil nation of europe. Not french. But more and more the germans are prefered above the germans. That says much.

                        I can see reasons against going to war and I can see reasons why people are against Bush.
                        But in the end Bush had an ideological reason to not go to war. Chiraq had a selfish reason to not support it. Which was mostly because of power-play. Wannabe importance. Popularity, etc.

                        Well, let me state different. Apart from people's hatred of Bush, I cannot see how Chiraq comes that easily away with his attutide in the discussion.

                        Or perhaps in a broader range:
                        - why no demonstrations against Putin in New York, London, Madrid, Paris and Rome?
                        - why no demonstrations against China in New York, London, .....
                        - why no demonstrations against french behavior in cote'd ivoire in New York......

                        or worse:
                        - why no demonstrations against Kim yon Il?
                        - why no demonstrations against Saddam Hussein wihle he still reigned?
                        - where are the anti-bomb-people who lined up in Bagdad to form a human shield against the americans right now? Why no human shield against the terrorists in Bagdad? There are more human shields needed then ever!

                        That's my point. I can see how people have a problem with Bush and his decisions. (Eventhough I think I can explain and counter those arguments)
                        But the bush-hatred is really weird compared to all I said above.
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                        • #13
                          My European friends have demonstrated an impressing perspicacity ; this portrait is really like me : I am agitated, arrogant, chauvinist, cold, dirty, disobedient, disorganised, distant, egocentric bons vivants, flesh-loving, frivolous, humourless, immoral, impolite, nannied, neo-colonialist, offhand, preaching, pretentious, righteous, self obsessed, shallow, snob, stubborn, talkative and vain.

                          Although I represent a certain degree of perfection in the French character (partly due to my unlimited modesty and recognised obnoxiousness), my fellows-countrymen are not significantly behind, particularly regarding disobedience, frivolity, improvisation, stubbornness and talkativeness.

                          That is the reason why I admire and love so much my European friends who suffer none of these flaws.
                          Statistical anomaly.
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                          • #14
                            I think everyone finds it easier to point out flaws in other people then to take a hard look at their own flaws.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DAVOUT
                              My European friends have demonstrated an impressing perspicacity ; this portrait is really like me : I am agitated, arrogant, chauvinist, cold, dirty, disobedient, disorganised, distant, egocentric bons vivants, flesh-loving, frivolous, humourless, immoral, impolite, nannied, neo-colonialist, offhand, preaching, pretentious, righteous, self obsessed, shallow, snob, stubborn, talkative and vain.

                              Although I represent a certain degree of perfection in the French character (partly due to my unlimited modesty and recognised obnoxiousness), my fellows-countrymen are not significantly behind, particularly regarding disobedience, frivolity, improvisation, stubbornness and talkativeness.

                              That is the reason why I admire and love so much my European friends who suffer none of these flaws.
                              Wow! It takes a lot of courage to admit to that.
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