Do you think fleeing from your countries draft is immoral?

[regexcellent]

Selective service is about filling out a useless form nobody's ever going to look at again unless you get a job with the federal government (in which case, if it isn't filled out, you just have to fill it out when you get there).

[MRT144]

Selective Service is part of the social contract we sign as (male) citizens of the United States. It's not about the state possessing your life. It's about holding up your end of the bargain to maintain the defense of the polity.

It's too bad that all it took was one bad war using the draft to make it apparent why it's so stupid because while I agree with you in principle, in practicality, I can't trust the people who decided to "go to war" to actually be doing it for the best interest of the nation.

[kentonio]

Selective Service is part of the social contract we sign as (male) citizens of the United States. It's not about the state possessing your life. It's about holding up your end of the bargain to maintain the defense of the polity.

This would be one of those things that you 'sign' up for, despite not actually having any choice in the matter, right?

However, any state that required citizens of the state to be available for military service, I would find myself unable to become a citizen. I am a pacifist. I am unwilling to serve in the military regardless of whether the war is considered 'right' or 'just' by many or by few. Therefore during a draft, I would renounce my citizenship, even as I remained within the state.

So Ben, when did you stop being a pacifist?

[regexcellent]

Probably moments after he posted that.

[rah]

Not to be funny, but I don't remember signing any contract.

[MRT144]

Not to be funny, but I don't remember signing any contract.

Yeah, you're a baby boomer, you were the first generation to laugh at the social contract.

"Uhg, all these kids we raised are so selfish"

- every boomer parent ever.

[Berzerker]

Selective Service is part of the social contract we sign as (male) citizens of the United States. It's not about the state possessing your life. It's about holding up your end of the bargain to maintain the defense of the polity.

most of our wars aint about defense, but all you've done is replace the state with another word

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Depends on the war.

[Tuberski]

You country educates you, nurtures you, and protects you. You incur a debt which any moral person would repay and it within the social group's rights to compel repayment.

I can not wait until he goes off on an anti military rant again on Facebook.

ACK!

[C0ckney]

most of our wars aint about defense, but all you've done is replace the state with another word

exactly. it's an incredibly authoritarian idea to believe that the state has the right to demand that you fight for it, which is perhaps why its supporters feel the need to lie, even to themselves, about what it really entails.

[Kidlicious]

Selective Service is part of the social contract we sign as (male) citizens of the United States. It's not about the state possessing your life. It's about holding up your end of the bargain to maintain the defense of the polity.

If it's just men then aren't we holding up more than our part?

[rah]

Yeah, you're a baby boomer, you were the first generation to laugh at the social contract.

"Uhg, all these kids we raised are so selfish"

- every boomer parent ever.

Some of us so called selfish boomers had to sweat through the draft lottery. Fortunately that year they stopped before they got to my number.
I didn't flee the country to avoid it.

The next generation had it easier.