If your country were to become communist...

[Az]

Yugoslavia

[Lancer]

Az, because in communism all property is owned by the state. They decide if you stay in the house they let you use. So what point is there in keeping the place up? It's not yours...Property ownership equals property rights and pride of ownership which equals keeping the place up. That means quality of life.

SirOg, that was because the income was made in capitalist countries. Real money made by citizens trying to better their lives, not stuck under communism in dead end jobs where 'as long as the government pretends to pay us, we'll pretend to work' is the motto.

[:) Smiley]

Originally posted by Lancer
Yes, the Philippines gets something like 40% of its foriegn capital from remitances. However this is a third world country. Is your country third world Smiley?

No, and consequentially, there's no brain drain problem.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lancer
Az, because in communism all property is owned by the state. They decide if you stay in the house they let you use. So what point is there in keeping the place up? It's not yours...Property ownership equals property rights and pride of ownership which equals keeping the place up. That means quality of life.

You keep the house up because you have to pay if you don't. I don't see why it should be different in a communist society. And I don't see why you shouldn't be able to own your own residence either.

[Sir Og]

Lancer you were asking if the SU could survive on foreign remittances and I gave the Yugoslavia example.

I think however that the way the planned economy worked in our countries it was impossible to have a decent grouth. That is why communist block collapsed.

[Sir Og]

And to answer the original question. If they choose to leave the country that educated them they should pay for the education that they received for free.

[DeathByTheSword]

according to some people we already are communists...

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Lancer
...and bright young people were to be college educated by the state, should they be allowed to emmigrate so that they might persue carreers under a system that allows them to become wealthy?

If not, should they not be allowed to travel?

If they want to leave the country, by all means let them leave! A truly communist society doesn´t infringe on civil rights and such. But as some others have said, they should be forced to pay for the education.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Lancer
Az, because in communism all property is owned by the state. They decide if you stay in the house they let you use. So what point is there in keeping the place up? It's not yours...Property ownership equals property rights and pride of ownership which equals keeping the place up. That means quality of life.

Not true, there is nothing in communism that opposes private property. You can own your house, or your car or your summer cottage. After all the wealth is distributed equally, it´s up to you what you do with it.

[DaShi]

Then that's where the whole system falls apart.

[Frankychan]

[monolith94]

The government should send them letters calling them cowards for abandoning their homeland. That'll work.

[Az]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Lancer
Az, because in communism all property is owned by the state. They decide if you stay in the house they let you use. So what point is there in keeping the place up? It's not yours...Property ownership equals property rights and pride of ownership which equals keeping the place up. That means quality of life.
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of course, it's the "pride of ownership" that keeps the place up. Not the fact that they live in it.

[Verres]

I see no reason why they shouldnt leave if they want to. You could say it was a waste of state funds to educate them, but that's a risk you have to take....just hope they leave education with enough sense to know staying in a communist state is preferrable to emigrating.

If they are that dissatisfied with the way the country is run they would be better off elsewhere anyway. No way would I imprison people in a country just because it was civilsed enough to provide them with decent free education.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Lancer
Spif, if they leave, and presumably become citizens of a democracy, how can you force them to pay the communist country back?

I'll take the example of the über-communistic and despotic French society. I'll take the example of X, young pharmacist who considers going to Britain

X has just finished his learning, which has been paid through and through by the French taxpayer. Since kindergarten, X has probably cost hundreds of thousands of Euros to the French taxpayer. The most expansive part of his scolarization, obviously, was uni, where he learned to become a skilled pharmacist (which doesn't merely mean selling medication, but he also has a top notch background in medical biology).
X wants to go to Britain, because there's more money to be made in Britain. He feels that working in a French hospital wouldn't bring enough money to make justice to his education, and Britain is really an easy destination.
X has no political motivations. He's only mildly interested by French politics, and as a foreign resident he wouldn't even be able to vote in Britain. The political situation in France (personal freedoms etc.) have nothing to do with the reason he leaves.

Tell me why it's ok to let him get away without paying back what he leeched off the taxpayer? If he constributed to French society as a pharamacist, he would do the payback in form of taxes and added growth. In Britain, he won't.