France gets tough on illegal immigration

[DeathByTheSword]

damn next time give the thread title some kind of code word so that i know that there pictures of babes...i skipped the thread because i didnt have anything to say and now i missed the pretty girls

btw...when do we get crying smilies?

[ajbera]

Duly noted, Ming. I got greedy. Casta just drives me insane.

For those poor saps who missed it, I basically posted about 8 or 9 large photos of Laetitia Casta, arguably the sexiest woman in the world. I did this not only to showcase her near-perfection, but also to help demonstrate possibly why France has the highest birthrate in the EU.

You can go here to see many of ths pics I posted.

And to bring this thread back OT: someone (I forget who) said France's stance on illigration was precipitated by economic rather than cultural concerns. Do the French have any concerns at all about immigrants not assimilating? I would tend to think they are rather staunch defenders of their culture, and would not want to see it diluted from an influx of non-adopters.

[Ming]

Understandable

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by ajbera
And to bring this thread back OT: someone (I forget who) said France's stance on illigration was precipitated by economic rather than cultural concerns. Do the French have any concerns at all about immigrants not assimilating? I would tend to think they are rather staunch defenders of their culture, and would not want to see it diluted from an influx of non-adopters.

There's a concern about people not assimilating, but they are first or second-generation residents, originating in North Africa. I haven't noticed any fear of such sort with the current wace of immigration, coming from Subsaharian Africa.

[chequita guevara]

I've heard France is rather schizoid towards Black people. Africans are treated rather shabbily, but African-Americans are treated as if they walk on water. Interestingly, the longer an African-American lives in France, the less well they are treated, as they lose their American accent.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I've heard France is rather schizoid towards Black people. Africans are treated rather shabbily, but African-Americans are treated as if they walk on water. Interestingly, the longer an African-American lives in France, the less well they are treated, as they lose their American accent.

I would believe it. We don't obsess on African-Americans (especially since we don't meet them any often), but since they are the underdogs of evil evil America, I find it believable that we have lots of sympathy for them.

We treat our blacks shabbily indeed, though it's a very different form of racism than what we indulge to the Arabs. The racism toward blacks isn't really hatred, but more of a paternalistic neo-colonial mentality: "the Blacks run fast", "they're better at dancing than at working", things like that. There's the occasional "they stink" (which is said of every group of population that has another diet anyway), but hatred is rarely involved. However, blacks get often underestimated (which lets many Blacks stuck at low-level jobs), and bossed around. They also suffer from discrimination during job-search, house-search, and at nightclubs (this discrimination is wholly illegal, but widespread).

The anti-Arab racism has considerably evolved since the days of the massive North African immigration in the 70ies. It used to be similar to the anti-Black one, as the Arabs were seen as fairly nice, Couscous-eating fellows, who work shabbily and speak with a heavy accent, but who were otherwise pretty nice.
However, we now have many Arabs who are born here, who went to school to become standardised French citizens, who speak French as well as I do, and who still suffered from the old clichés and from the discrimination. However, these yooung people didn't accept their niche as factory workers we gratiously attributed to them. A counter-culture has grown in the impoverished suburbs where they are located for the most part. This sub-culture is anti-France (and against the main French insitutions these people encounter: police and school), is organized in form of gangs, and has many values completely opposite to the Republic's (terrible sexism, vigilantism, antisemitism...). Petty crime is immediately associated to them, and it is not undeserved.
Though this sub-culture (called "racaille") is multi-ethnical, the stereotypical racaille is seen as a violent arrogant young Arab. In response to the racaille sub-culture, the anti-Arab racism has strongly evolved, and it is now more about hate than about paternalism.

As an aside: a significant reason of the alienation of this population group is the constant "random" checking of IDs, which is blatantly racist.

Clothing can do wonders if you don't want to suffer from the stigma of hate-filled anti-Arab racism*. If you dress in a suit, people are likely not to see you as a dangerous potential mugger, regardless of the colour of your skin. I don't know if clothing affects the paternalistic racism however.



*clothing can also do wonders to trigger being mugged. Quite a few muggings have a component of class-racial hatred (the whities, especially the well dressed ones, being often seen as oppressive bourgeois, or as weaklings who can't defend themselves, or both)

[Lawrence of Arabia]

(did you see how many times those photos were downloaded? like 60 times EACH!!!)

[Spiffor]

They directly appear on the screen to PLUS members. The amount of "downloads" is mostly telling of how many people viewed the thread, not necessarily of how many people clicked on each link

[Lawrence of Arabia]

they appear directly on the screen to the proletariat members too. its just when you view it without logging in to my proletarian account, it comes up as an attachment and it says how many times it has been downloaded.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
They directly appear on the screen to PLUS members. The amount of "downloads" is mostly telling of how many people viewed the thread, not necessarily of how many people clicked on each link

non PLUS members see them directly on the screen too...

[Shi Huangdi]

Kuci, you might want to edit that out in case that is not intentional that is case.

[Kuciwalker]

It's supposed to happen.