Osama bin Laden's view of the Crusades

[dannubis]

perhaps it is not hatred, but the truth, because at that time catholicism was what islam has been perverted into today : oppressive, backwards, very conservative, corrupt to the bone ... you name it

[Agathon]

I dont understand Ned, did the movie offer reasons for the Crusades that contradict your post? Btw, it is illogical to suggest some special or unique association exists between liberals and OBL based on some shared hatred of the Catholic Church, Would you say pedophile victims of the Church share OBL's world view if they hate the Church too?

I'm a liberal and I'm in league with OBL!!!

Long time no see, Berz. Where have you been?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Agathon
Why do right wing Americans think that the rest of the world should share their myopic, provincial and ill-informed views?

I guess for the same reasons you seem to think that your point of view has an relevancy to anyone else.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Moulin Rouge was okay, but Chicago was superb.

Except for the dancing which was weak in every scene but the women in prison opening scene (they were pros).

[curtsibling]

I saw the movie last night and have to disagree with the accusation that Osama wrote this movie.

For one, no-one has an AK-47 and there are no cave scenes.

But on the serious side, the movie tries its damndest to be even handed, and show religious mania on both sides. It shows both christians and muslims to be on the most part, honourable and human, while the religious fanatics are easily recognisable as the troublemakers of the story.

I do not see it as anti-christian or anti-islam, just a tale about humans and their search for a divine meaning,
which also features the foolishness of a few evil men, who masquerade as devout warriors. Sound familiar?

I would see this movie as a denouncement of fanatics, be they a McVeigh, an Osama or a Jerry Falwell - All are bad.

While there is bad there is also good, personified by the character of Orlando Bloom, and also the dying King of Jerusalem. Saladin is shown as a cynical general, but also shows his respect for christianity when at the end, he carefully picks up a crucifix from the floor and places it on an altar...So much for Osama's screenplay, eh?

All in all, an enjoyable dark age tale, with some awesome battles.
But the movie has a strong element of humanity - And never preaches.

For me, that is a good point.

[DaShi]

I disagree.

[curtsibling]

With what?

[DaShi]

With your post. I believe that Bin Laden did write or greatly influence it.

[Dinner]

I owe a copy of Chicago and it is a great movie. Best musical to come out in years.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by DaShi
With your post. I believe that Bin Laden did write or greatly influence it.

Then I must heartily laugh at your assessment.

Sorry.

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[BeBMan]

He's not serious /traitor

[curtsibling]

I hope so.

I pity anyone who seriously thinks that.

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[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Wasn't Ned the one who came on here and decried Chicago as a horrendous film that was morally degenerate and awful and an affront to morals etc. etc. etc.?

That's right... Chicago. The musical.

He also said Finding Nemo was anti-American and pro-drug use

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Agathon
Why do right wing Americans think that the rest of the world should share their myopic, provincial and ill-informed views?

...

DD or JohnT has probably beat me to this. If not, they're slacking off.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


He also said Finding Nemo was anti-American and pro-drug use

That's a contradiction in terms.