Ian Paisley must be the least lovable man in politics...he just bawls and screams and shouts all the time...arsehole...
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Ian Paisley must be the least lovable man in politics...he just bawls and screams and shouts all the time...arsehole...
It's no surprise his 'doctorate' is one of those American send off and buy ones.
He's as lovable as his sectarian opponents.
God is love.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Drogue
Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Not crack, just the sweet the thrill of victory.Three leaders ordered the invasion, three leaders re-elected
All of the left's threats of electoral defeat for the coalitions have shown to add up to absolutely nothing!
Considering all leaders live in very safe seats, I can't remember the last time a leader of *any* party lost his seat. And the leftosty coalitions have managed to get George Galloway elected, a far far less likely thing than deposing any of the main party leaders.
Moreover, the votes in utterly safe Tory seats, like Howard, don't usually care about things like the Iraq war.
And also Anders Fogh Rasmussen as lotm was kind enough to point out.
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The NI elections get more coverage here in Ireland than the British elections do - not surprising because they have more direct relevance.
the view here seems to be that it is a good thing Tony got back. Makes sense really as, if he is going to go in 2-3 years time, pushing hard for, and getting, a long term settlement in NI would be a memorable final achievement for him.
The DUP taking almost all the Unionist vote is actually not as bad as it looks. The political analysts here (or some of them at least) are beginning to make the point that the younger figures in the DUP who now have Westminster seats are likely to want to do more than just rant. Paisley may remain as the figurehead but a deal is likely regardless of his rhetoric.
Also, the DUP now have a clear mandate. When the UUP were the largest Unionist party the DUP could do little more than be obstructive. Now they have the power and the responsibility and there is nowhere to hide if they don't deliver. A similar argument applies to Sinn Fein.
It is going to be interesting. Peter Hain as NI Secretary (seen as a safe pair of hands) does suggest Tony is going to take an interest and want someone reliable on the spot to see things don't get messed up.Never give an AI an even break.
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Peter Hain is also a welshman(if i've got the right guy), which i've found counts for a lot when dealing with Irish folk, especialy in the south - celtic brotherhood and all that, so yes it seems a sensible post for getting a positive result from the westminster side of the equation.
'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.
Bush's Republican=Neo-con for all intent and purpose. be afraid.
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Originally posted by Whoha
Ok html people, why the gobs of space here?
You need to delete all the white space (quote this post to see what I mean and see the difference with yours)
UK NATIONAL RESULTS: IN DETAIL Party Seats Gain Loss Net Votes % +/- Labour 354 0 47 -47 9,529,319 36.2 -5.8 Conservative 197 36 3 +33 8,737,150 33.2 +0.5 Lib Dem 62 16 5 +11 5,970,540 22.7 +3.8 SNP 6 2 0 +2 412,267 1.6 -0.2 Plaid Cymru 3 0 1 -1 174,838 0.7 -0.1 Respect 1 1 0 +1 68,065 0.3 +0.3 Ind Kid Hosp 1 0 0 0 18,739 0.1 0.0 UKIP 0 0 0 0 605,282 2.3 +0.8 Green 0 0 0 0 257,758 1.0 +0.3 BNP 0 0 0 0 191,573 0.7 +0.5 Scottish Soc 0 0 0 0 43,514 0.2 -0.1 Scottish Grn 0 0 0 0 25,760 0.1 +0.1 Liberal 0 0 0 0 19,068 0.1 0.0 Others 1 1 0 +1 234,006 0.6 Turnout 26,327,419 61.3 +2.2 After625 of 646 seats declared Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus
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Originally posted by Winston
Um, Shi wasn't talking about British party leaders, but the three main leaders behind the Iraq war; Bush, Howard and Blair all got re-elected.
Since this is a British election thread, Howard would normally refer to Michael, as he is something of a prominent figure here.Smile
For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
But he would think of something
"Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - Kuciwalker
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Originally posted by Drogue
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Since this is a British election thread, Howard would normally refer to Michael, as he is something of a prominent figure here.'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.
Bush's Republican=Neo-con for all intent and purpose. be afraid.
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Tony Blah aside - fraternal congrats to Labour party members in the UK from Horse and all the other Aussie ALP members - we're cheering yah on comrades
You give us hope as we continue to patiently work to overthrow the Australian tory c^nts and all their worksAny views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
It looks to me that the Lib Dems wouldn't need that much a larger proportion of the vote before they start taking quite hefty numbers of seats...same for the Tories...
Plus a lot of the Lib Dems extra votes this time came from Labour supporters pissed off about the war and tuition fees - this will fade over time, especially once Gordon Brown replaces Blair.
Zulu Elephant prediction 2009: Labour regains a lot of its support that it lost to the Lib Dems in 2005 and is returned with an increased majority.
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For an outside observer, I think the most interesting thing is the low turnout of only ~60%. It would seem there could be a lot to gain, for both the parties and society as a whole, by getting more people interested in their country's state of affairs.
It really is amazing for me to see such a low participation of voters. Here we always have 85-88% turnout for general elections.
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Is it very likely when the boundary commision redraws constituencies it will be made so the distribution of seats better reflects the vote? In this election Labour only got 3% more votes then the Tories but got over 150 more seats."I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer
"I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand
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Originally posted by Zulu Elephant
I picture isnt quite as simple as that. Lib Dem support is scattered throughout the country and not concentrated enough to allow them to win a lot of seats without a MASSIVE swing.
Plus a lot of the Lib Dems extra votes this time came from Labour supporters pissed off about the war and tuition fees - this will fade over time, especially once Gordon Brown replaces Blair.
Zulu Elephant prediction 2009: Labour regains a lot of its support that it lost to the Lib Dems in 2005 and is returned with an increased majority.
As for the 2009 prediction, for me to come back to Labour i'll want to see Brown bring in a load of his own people - bye bye all the Jack straws/blunketts/Reids and spin doctors. Basicaly anyone who had their finger in this whole Iraq issue. Then i will know the taint has been removed and the world will remain safer
Edit as a side note - seems pressure is building on Tony Blair? or maybe its just the media hypeing?
'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.
Bush's Republican=Neo-con for all intent and purpose. be afraid.
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