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  • #46
    Possibly – although PR tends to lead to endless coalition which is not an attractive prospect

    ZE and I simply won’t ever see eye to eye. Rather than enter an extended debate on every point I’ll stick to a few of them.

    If the Labour party only won working class votes (even if they won every Working class vote) they would permanently be in opposition. Plus, the middle class contribute a lot to the country and to needlessly malign them shows a lack of compassion for hard working people who are just trying to get by.
    Well the first part is not true – if the entire ‘working class’ turned out (it never does btw) Labour would win by a landslide every time. If you notice what Blair has been saying it has largely been designed to get the traditionally apathetic Labour supporters to turn out.

    But the I think the problem is we have different definitions of ‘middle class’ looking at what you subsequently say. Middle class doesn’t even start for me until you get to affluent Professional careers. It seem to start lower for you? Many are hard working and very well paid for it – but I don’t lack compassion for them, I simply want them to return proportionally more of what they earn to society than they do now.

    The government should be there for EVERYONE not just single sections of society - otherwise we're no better than the tories.
    Negative on that for me – the Labour party is for the working man. It is the counter and the balance to the Tories. To be the everyman party just leaves us with the wishy washy mob we have now. Low taxes for all but we are left really – we just won’t talk about it too much.

    Labour is on the centre-left
    Do you truly believe that? If it is true the axis (null point) has moved hugely to the right IMO.

    I agree entirely with Immortal Wombat on University by the way – far too many school leavers now go and it has turned Universities into degree factories not centres of learning. Employers have stopped trusting degree classifications - how can this be good?

    Private money in schools is okay – but the back end deals securing it need examination I think.
    It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Verres
      I just voted - Socialist Labour.
      Comrade!

      Can I interest you in membership in the Communist Party of Apolyton?
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #48
        Guess what I found in my postbox yesterday.

        I couldn't believe it: despite being a citizen of the Republic of Ireland, I was entitled to vote in the British general election.

        After asking around some more, I was told that any citizen of the Commonwealth (and the RoI) living in the UK are entitled to vote in the general election. Some sort of weird colonial hangover - I guess you guys still can't get over the fact we've been an independent nation since 1922.

        Talk about liberal voting rights! I'm now in the weird situation where I'll have voted in a British general election before I've voted in the Irish one.
        STDs are like pokemon... you gotta catch them ALL!!!

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        • #49
          Ireland's part of the Commonwealth?
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #50
            Here's hoping that ass Bliar goes soon after the election. He's a ****ing liability for Britain.
            Only feebs vote.

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            • #51
              Certainly not! We left in 1949, which is my reason for including in brackets. One wonders if they have yet to accept the reality of the situation.
              STDs are like pokemon... you gotta catch them ALL!!!

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              • #52
                Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                Comrade!

                Can I interest you in membership in the Communist Party of Apolyton?
                Communist Party of Apolyton always sounded a bit of a contradiction to me

                Living in the uk I always used to keep my commie sympathies to myself, but decided recently the only way to be true to my cause was to come out regarding my political beliefs. Converting people is harder than I anticipated but I was never one to be easily disheartened.
                Desperados of the world, unite. You have nothing to lose but your dignity.......
                07849275180

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                • #53
                  When will we see the results?

                  Voted at half eight this morning for Labour.
                  Tony Blair went to war with Iraq for the same reason as Kosovo, Sierra Leone and Afghanistan - he felt it was the right thing to do.
                  HA HA HA HA HA

                  sucker

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Verres


                    Communist Party of Apolyton always sounded a bit of a contradiction to me
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • #55
                      just voted lib dem myself. i live in a safe labour seat, but with the student anti-war (blah etc.) votes going to the lib dems they might be able to push them close.

                      here's hoping that labour is (for once) telling the truth when they say that a vote for the lib dems is a vote for the tories.
                      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                      • #56
                        Think the first seat might start declaring around midnight BST, the winner should be known by 4am or so, all the results in by late afternoon tomorrow I guess.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by lightblue
                          The main issue is that he did not use the moral reasons for action in Iraq, but went with the (later found to be exaggarated and spin doctored to hell) WMD reason. TBH if you're going to be doing it for the "ooh he's big bad dictator who oppresses his people" reason, then be consistent and at least slap embargos/sanctions on ones like Saudi, Pakistan, Zimbabwe, Myanmar etc etc.
                          There are already economic sanctions on Zimbabwe and Myanmar.
                          The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                          • #58
                            blair said on sun that he can make love 5 times a night. of course the english will vote for him

                            (that was a comment on the radio btw)

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                            • #59
                              I know Laz. Still inconsistent though.

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                              • #60
                                who are the basic contenters in the UK?
                                blair who's labour
                                that keneddy for liberals
                                and someone for conservatives?

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