All Hail the Glorious People's Revolution in Vietnam!

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[Theben]

Not too much room on the high moral ground for anyone in that conflict, I'm afraid.

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Yeah...

When I was growing up I did want to get into the fight but was too young, thank God. By the time I joined (the day I turned 17) it was history.

[Zkribbler]

It was a terrible time. Never have I seen America so divided. After the Kent State and Jackson State Massacres, there was open talk of rebellion.

Here's remembering Eddie Foster and Morgan Tate, two of my friends who went over to Vietnam but did not come back.

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[JohnT]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Here's remembering Eddie Foster and Morgan Tate, two of my friends who went over to Vietnam but did not come back.

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[Agathon]

In 31 years we get to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the victory of the glorious Iraqis against the imperialist running dogs and finally overthrowing the last remnants of colonialism,

DTA

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by BlackCat
How come that the conquest of another country is called a revolution if it is a communist regime that does it ?

Vietnam was one country. It just had two governments, one of its own chosing (North) and one imposed upon by outsiders (South).

[Stefu]

It sure is great that North Vietnam eventually conquered South Vietnam. I mean, otherwise South Vietnamese might be suffering from the same absolute crushing poverty as South Koreans currently are.

No wait

[chequita guevara]

Well since you think it's okay to impose foreign governments on other countries for their own good, how about we invade Finland?

[Stefu]

Good work Che, you certainly rebutted my point there by talking about an unrelated subject

Incidentally, what makes foreign imposition of a government any worse than domestic imposition of a government by a small group, ie. nearly every glorious Communist revolution of the 20th century?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Stefu
Good work Che, you certainly rebutted my point there by talking about an unrelated subject

It's not unrelated. South Vietnam was a foreign installed puppet government with no support from its population. That wasn't true of the North. Despite your assertion, most Communist led revolutions have been popular, supported if not by the majority, as in Vietnam, then by a significant minority.

If you think it's okay to invade South Vietnam and prop up a dictatorship that was imposed from the outside only ten years earlier because it's in the best interests of the people living there, then you have to agree it would be better for Finland if the United States invaded it and set up a new government for you.

[Stefu]

Despite your assertion, most Communist led revolutions have been popular, supported if not by the majority, as in Vietnam, then by a significant minority

Ahahahahaha significant minority. That's quite like saying 'In the coming British election, Michael Howard is popular, as he will be supported by a significant minority".

But really, how many people who supported Vietcong were in it more for the land reform than dictatorship and re-education camps? That's quite the pattern of Communist revolutions, isn't it? People will be ready for change, and to get the change, they support various socialist organizations, and then Communists wriggle their way on the top and it's totalitarianism time.

Of course, all those Russians during the Russian revolution who supported SRs and all those Cubans during the Cuban revolution who supported non-Castro socialist and liberal movements were really just wanting Lenin and Fidel all along and were just being coy about it.

If you think it's okay to invade South Vietnam and prop up a dictatorship that was imposed from the outside only ten years earlier because it's in the best interests of the people living there, then you have to agree it would be better for Finland if the United States invaded it and set up a new government for you.

Well, that quite obviously wouldn't be in the Finnish interests, now would it? Finland, after all, is a democratic, relatively free nation. The situation would be rather different if Finland was in danger of being taken over by a totalitarian ideology.

And, of course, as you remember, the situation you describe bears some resemblance to the Finnish Civil War during the 1910s. And, as you remember from our previous discussions, I believe that the White victory, supported by the Germans, was obviously for the best in the long run.

[Pekka]

che and his communist fantasies.. yeah, North Vietnamese ruling was a blessing in disguise, wasn't it?

Hey, if we are about to be overrun by stinking communist hippie bastards, and we don't want to be, and we call you to come and help us to fight against commies, PLEASE DO INVADE!!!!!!!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
So you think we should point out America's flaws on July 4th?

Well, as a historian, I do not pick days on which I want to objectively look at my own country's history, and on other days masturbate off of self-congratulatory history.

I always, everyday, try my best to objectively look at the history of our own country.