Florida Conservatives try to force 13 year old girl to not have an abortion.

[ajbera]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III

Don't forget "where 5 -year olds are controlled with handcuffs and where it's legal to shoot people on your property"

What's wrong with that? Where else are you gonna shoot people?

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Uh guys arent we forgetting something, like how this 13 yo got pregnant in the first place???... You all have assumed that the father did it and that isnt written anywere. The kid is in foster care but how long has she been in foster care and who got her pregnant at the age of 13? If ya ask me this should be more of a social issue then a political one.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Capt Dizle
I think we should change the law as suggested above. No abortions but, in calculating the number of extra babies we would get, issue hunting permits, one to a customer @ $10,000 each. Each permit holder would be allowed to kill at random any American child under the age of two, on July 4th only. Talk about fireworks. All proceeds go to paying of the national debt.

I think it would work fine.

Sorry, babies are too cute. Can't we just shoot the politicians?? Sure, it wouldn't solve the abortion problem, but it'd be a lot more fun.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Capt Dizle
I think we should change the law as suggested above. No abortions but, in calculating the number of extra babies we would get, issue hunting permits, one to a customer @ $10,000 each. Each permit holder would be allowed to kill at random any American child under the age of two, on July 4th only. Talk about fireworks. All proceeds go to paying of the national debt.

I think it would work fine.

Holy **** you cant be serious what they hell did the kids do??? I say hunt down the genusies you guys voted for and put in office

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski

Holy **** you cant be serious what they hell did the kids do??? I say hunt down the genusies you guys voted for and put in office

Well, those kids didn't do nothing, anymore than the kids that we routinely kill in the womb. I'm just saying, if we are going to murder babies, lets get some fun and financial benefit out of it.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

sure why not just send our kids to school with a big red bulls eye pinned to their shirts that way we know that all the wackoos can have some fun picking off these kids

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Stop picking on my state.

You deserve it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Re: Re: Florida Conservatives try to force 13 year old girl to not have an abortion.

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Would someone care to explain to me how exactly the law splits the hair of saying children under the age of 18 are incompetent to join the army, smoke, drink, drive (and have sex) in some cases yet says that it is just fine for them to consent to have invasive surgery without parental notification?

You have a Constitutional right to abortion; you don't have one for the rest of those things (well except having sex, and the state can't prevent you from that either)>

[DinoDoc]

Re: Re: Re: Florida Conservatives try to force 13 year old girl to not have an abortion.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


You have a Constitutional right to abortion;

A minor has a constitutional right to consent to an invasive medical procedure without even parental notification when we rightly judge them unfit to even vote? Are they any other procedures that can consent to on thier own?

Maybe a look at the opinion cited might help clear things up for me. Could someone link to it?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Maybe a look at the opinion cited might help clear things up for me.

It's called Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey .

The right to vote has a valid countervailing interest for minors (ie, the reason to prevent minors from voting passes Constitutional muster).

[DinoDoc]

Do we normally let minors consent to invasive procedures sans at least parental notification?

It looks like I was right:

Among the new provisions, the law required informed consent and a 24 hour waiting period prior to the procedure. A minor seeking an abortion required the consent of one parent (the law allows for a judicial bypass procedure). A married woman seeking an abortion had to indicate that she notified her husband of her intention to abort the fetus. These provisions were challenged by several abortion clinics and physicians. A federal appeals court upheld all the provisions except for the husband notification requirement.

....

The new standard asks whether a state abortion regulation has the purpose or effect of imposing an "undue burden," which is defined as a "substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion before the fetus attains viability." Under this standard, the only provision to fail the undue-burden test was the husband notification requirement.

Planned Parenthood v. Casey

[Mrs. Tuberski]

uh hello why the hell do i need my husbands permission to do something with my body!!!!

[Imran Siddiqui]

And the Supreme Court ruled that it was an undue burden on her Constitutional right to have both parents notified without having a bypass.

If you notice the decision it says, consent of ONE parent WITH a judicial bypass procedure (ie, no consent is ok with the judge's go ahead).

[DinoDoc]

I blame Oerdin's citing a non-existant case for starting this silly arguement. Though you might have just said that to begin with and spared me the few seconds of internet research.

[Imran Siddiqui]

What fun is that?

You know I love torturing people by not coming to the point immediately (it drove MrFun absolutely crazy!) .