Migrant Women Trapped in Europe's Sex Industry

[Last Conformist]

@LoA: Germany is a good example of a country that have legal prostitution and an underground sex slavery industry.

The problem with going legal isn't paying taxes, but that you have to treat the girls like employees rather than chattel slaves.

I suppose one could legalize slavery, but I don't think that solve more problems than it creates.

[Pekka]

No no no you are now handling different categories. The kinky lovers who want to play games, and the sicker branch of that who are not going to settle for roleplay but the real deal. These folks are a little bit out there, but they will be there legalized or not.

Just like legalizing prostitution won't do anything to decrease the number of pedophiles.

Legalizing prostitution will enable the option of making the 'normal' sex folks open, where as the underground scene with worse crimes and sick stuff as well will always a) be forbidden and b) they don't get kicks from anywhere else so it'll stay around.

George 35 year olds who is looking to go to get prostitution services won't go to a dungeon where you can suffocate your victim for real afterwards, or at least beat them up. He goes to the legalized sex dungeon, where it's more safe for him as well (STDs etc etc) and where it's easier.

The ones who are more freaky will always be in their own category, and the supply those needs, there will be folks handling, and that scene won't ever die, period.

And legalizing slavery analogue is horribly invalid.

[Alexander's Horse]

you can rationalise but the chances are the woman is not there by choice

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Pekka

And legalizing slavery analogue is horribly invalid.

It's not an analogy, for starters ...

[Pekka]

but it was horrible anyway. So there.

[Last Conformist]

What, exactly, is horrible about suggesting that legalizing slavery would cause more problems than it solves?

[Ned]

Last Conformist, you are right of course. Legalizing prostitution is one way legalization: for the clients and the pimps, if the women are coerced into or forced to remain in the service by force or circumstances. As any good commie would say, prostitution is a form of wage slavery.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ned
Last Conformist, you are right of course. Legalizing prostitution is one way legalization: for the clients and the pimps, if the women are coerced into or forced to remain in the service by force or circumstances. As any good commie would say, prostitution is a form of wage slavery.

Wage slavery is more of a Anarchist term than a Communist one, I think.

[Ned]

Originally posted by General Ludd



Wage slavery is more of a Anarchist term than a Communist one, I think.

Thanks, GL. I can never distinguish between the various shades of red and pink.

[KrazyHorse]

Anarchists use black, sweetheart.

[Ned]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Anarchists use black, sweetheart.

OMFG, why? To confuse us?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
you can rationalise but the chances are the woman is not there by choice

and how would you know this?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident


and how would you know this?

Dis, that is why I made the somewhat ludicrous suggestion of ID cards so that patrons can see whether the sex worker is there of his or her own accord.

[Dis]

all I know is it works in Nevada. You don't see illegal immigrants, in fact nearly all of them are white women (not that I've been to those places ).

Although prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas, and we do have some problems. But most of the problems are with americans, not illegal alien. The problem is women addicted to crack are sometimes forced to do certain things for their next hit of crack.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident
all I know is it works in Nevada. You don't see illegal immigrants, in fact nearly all of them are white women (not that I've been to those places ).

Although prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas, and we do have some problems. But most of the problems are with americans, not illegal alien. The problem is women addicted to crack are sometimes forced to do certain things for their next hit of crack.

Yeah, if prostitution were legalized, I would require that workers with drug problems be removed from the street or brothel and be cleaned up. But, as we know with druggies, keeping them clean is almost never for very long.

Then there is also the problem of extreme poverty. Many women work as prostitutes because this is the only way to live decently.

Ending drug abuse and poverty may be the only way to end involuntary prostitution.