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  • #46
    Originally posted by GePap


    And who will reach the settlements from? JOrdan? (that haven of Jewish lovers), or Egypt? (another haven of Jew-lovers?)

    Of course, you will have the ships docking in Hebron..... OR those convoys through Palestinian territory..... Oh, wait....

    Simplest way to end a settlement? Siege. Cut them off from any food supply, cut of their water and electricity and fuel shipments to eventually cut the use of generators. Then sit back. Without water or resupply, that's the end of it. Even the best military force will wither away when surrounded, and a bunch of families will certainly not last long.

    You don't need a learning curve at all.
    hmm .. . . Do you think that Israelis have lost the spirit that allowed them to survive in many many small isolated settlements when openly attacked by a number of Arab nations all at once? they have done this before against even bigger odds than settlers would face now.

    If settlers remain, I don't think Israel would stand by and allow them to be attacked with tanks or aircraft or would allow a siege to continue. On the siege, the effectiveness would depend on the location of the settlements but if the sttelements followed the old kibbutz model at all, they would be situated with a water source and a fair ability to be self-sustaining. Prior to the formation of Israel, they really had little other choice.

    Looking at their history, I wouldn't ever bet against the Israelis
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    • #47
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      And who will reach the settlements from? JOrdan? (that haven of Jewish lovers), or Egypt? (another haven of Jew-lovers?)

      Of course, you will have the ships docking in Hebron..... OR those convoys through Palestinian territory..... Oh, wait....

      Simplest way to end a settlement? Siege. Cut them off from any food supply, cut of their water and electricity and fuel shipments to eventually cut the use of generators. Then sit back. Without water or resupply, that's the end of it. Even the best military force will wither away when surrounded, and a bunch of families will certainly not last long.

      You don't need a learning curve at all.[/q]

      Erm, ISRAEL will allow movement to the settlements. It simply won't be actively participating in anything.

      If you think that the palestinian militants will be able to actively apply a siege you're highly optimistic, anyhow.
      urgh.NSFW

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      • #48
        Originally posted by DRoseDARs
        John Ensign (R-Naturally) voted Nay. Big f***ing suprise.

        Because it would force them to acknowledge that since the very beginning of this conflict our troops have never been fully supplied due to poor planning by the Bush Administration et al.
        yeah, that ******* visited the middle east too (though I'm not sure if he visited with the troops). Actually I didn't think he was that bad until today.

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        • #49
          Why not scrap the settlers' tax breaks first?

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          • #50
            Well I was unable to contact any of Sen Smith's offices by phone as his machines were all full. I sent him an email telling that I'm a fellow republican and asking why he voted against armored humvees for our troops and expressed concern over that vote, asking for an explanation as soon as possible.

            If you are an Oregonian and wish to contact him and express a view, here's his site.

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            • #51
              Lancer actually thinks that a politician cares about ordinary people's lives! Touching...

              Send him 50 000 grand for a trip to London and maybe he'll get back to you...otherwise be ready for the Standard Automatic Reply.
              "Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
              "...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
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              • #52
                Well that's ok...but then he better get ready for the standard 'vote for the gay whale loving commie lefty socialist treehugger next time just to get rid of Sen Smith' reply.
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                • #53
                  DanS: Congressmen want pork and they want control over the money to control where the pork goes.
                  I understand this and the purse is the congress's, not the president's. On the other hand, during war time the Army is given a lot more leeway on spending. So why isn't there a normal procedure in the Army for getting uparmored humvees when needed? Is Army management that incompetent?
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #54
                    i think its clear: all the republicans and their constitutents who voted against this bill are unpatriotic and unamerican.
                    "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                    • #55
                      Well it would be pretty easy... take the kids of the congressmen... put them in a training camp, send them to iraq and watch how quickly body armor will start piling up.

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                      • #56
                        LoA, you're wrong.

                        Democrats and Liberals are unpatriotic and unamerican.

                        Republicans are beyond reproach!
                        B♭3

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                        • #57
                          Where exactly is reproach? Is that outside Cleveland?
                          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                          • #58
                            Nah. It's closer to Dahlonega.
                            B♭3

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Q Cubed
                              LoA, you're wrong.

                              Democrats and Liberals are unpatriotic and unamerican.

                              Republicans are beyond reproach!
                              Q, I would not include conservative Democrats in your list of the anti-Americans.
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                              • #60
                                See a pattern in those posts, Ned?
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