Children - Not a Priority

[JohnT]

Originally posted by MikeH


Which is an absolute disgrace.

Naw, we just demand more out of our citizenry - including not acting like hooligans because you're at a place where it's ok to rape children, or somesuch.

[lightblue]

Originally posted by MikeH


Which is an absolute disgrace.

Same in the UK, not sure for all crimes but defintely for pedophilia.

[chequita guevara]

Child molestation is a state crime. Only a Federal crime would follow you overseas.

[JohnT]

Same in the UK, not sure for all crimes but defintely for pedophilia.

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[Pekka]

yeah I think we have the same... I mean you can go and smoke weed in amsterdam and it's totally legal, but have sex with kids, and you can be prosecuted. Which should be the case, in the name of protecting children.

[Pekka]

But it comes down to protecting the kids. They are the most valuable resource of the world, and that's a fact. And even though every citizen should be equal in front of the law, crimes against kids, such as molesting and rape, is often seen as more serious as molesting and raping adults. In both cases, the actor is most likely a sex criminal, a sexual predator. In most cases of pedophilia, the actor is mentally sick. I mean a sane person won't go about molesting little children. That fantasy is just out of their scope, because it's not normal, period.

However, most sex criminals will be the same no matter how much therapy they have. Just like violent criminals. It's in their behaviour and the way their brain works to stimulus of such. They can't silence it, only thing they can do is try to learn models of thinking where they go and seek help when they start having urges before it goes too far. If you ask me, that's taking a risk right there. You can give medicine to drug addicts, you can give nicotine patches to smokers, what do you give to pedophiles?

The thing is.. we KNOW this person is guaranteed offender in the future. Of course there' a chance he won't do it again, but that's like 1 out of a million. If I was in charge of this case, to let him out, I would ask myself, is it guaranteed that this person is now safe to society and children. If I can't come up with the answer 'yes', then he must STAY INSIDE. If I let him out and say 'well, I don't know, but he served his sentence now', I am fooling myself and letting myself out of the responsibility when the next kids get molested. I mean, we can look into the papers and see what the law says, but common sense, if the person is still dangerous.... lock him up.

So how do we know when they are not dangerous anymore? I don't know. We can never be sure. But there are cases were we can be pretty sure it will happen again, and in those cases we must put our foot down and say 'until you are safe to society, you will not get out'.

And that's the bottom line.

[RGBVideo]

Guy had been doing it since 1989... quite a count. Apparently, the number 445 comes from all the separate children he has listed in his diaries. Police also confiscated >100 tapes in which he had been getting it on with little boys in the years 1989-1995.

Well, then you need to send him to Thailand for their government to punish him. His crimes didn't occur in Finland, so why is Finland trying him?

"That doesn't mean you can't be prosecuted for them in Finland. You can be prosecuted in the US for doing something that is legal in another country."
Only if there's a specfic law prohibiting us from doing it while abroad.

There is. A specific law against molestation of children under the age of 14 in foreign countries by citizens of Finland was enacted in 1999.

[JohnT]

A specific law against molestation of children under the age of 14 in foreign countries by citizens of Finland was enacted in 1999.

I don't know whether to be heartwarmed or heartbroken that such an act was (had to be) passed.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by VJ
A specific law against molestation of children under the age of 14 in foreign countries by citizens of Finland was enacted in 1999.

How did they catch the guy, btw?

[Pekka]

no one knows exactly, but I assume it was local authorities tipping our authorities, or then the cops knew he was child molester anyway from past experience and had been following his actions. In real life, has to be one of the two.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by MikeH
And yet Finland has an extremely low crime rate.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1115.html

Cultural differences. In Finland, pulling a knife on someone is considered "boyish high spirits".

[Pekka]

Lazarus said it perfectly. And it's a sad thing really. Then again, we don't have the macho culture, so it's something very unique and in order to understand it, you have to live here for some time. And notice how most locals do not know the difference between 'boyish high spirits' and crime, and violent crime at that. It is ironic that it is me who is raising the voice on this time after time. After all, it's me who LOVES fighting (in the ring), and it is me who thinks a man needs to do what man needs to do. But using common sense.

I take my personal space seriously. If someone makes a violent action against me, it is crime right there. I don't accept it. Many do accept it though.. because it's a chance to fight. If you get your butt kicked, that's life. When 5 guys come on stomp on your head.. well that's life too, plus bad luck. When you get stabbed, you might consider going to the cops, then again the stabber might come and stab you again, because no one can protect you and all you can do is buy a knife too and sharpen them and wait for the confrontation. ****, knife fights are usually seen as fair, if both drew knives. How ****ed up is that? Adn the 'odds are he won't die anyway' attitude is sickening. If you are going to be stabbed, don't think they'll thrust it into your side one time. No no.. be happy if it's less than 10 times into your chest and back.

Now, what are we going to do? Nothing. Figures. No one even raises their voice against violence. I truly do believe we are very violent by nature somehow. And we don't have macho culture, so it's in a way even more dangerous. You don't know what ticks off people. Looking at them might tick off the 'wtf are you looking at' *stab*. 'could you move dude, I can't ..' 'wtf?' *Stab*. Only thing connecting these cases are that they happen every freaking day, with no reason at all, and with normal people also, not just serial stabbers.

It's ridicolous

[Dis]

anybody going to Thailand should have a red flag next to their name as a possible child molestor.

[LDiCesare]

I'll buy a ticket to Finland to my worst enemy when I get one. Maybe fly with him too and buy a knife there if I really hate him.
Do they have knives in the prisons too? The child molester might meet a high boyish spirit fellow prisoner?

[Lancer]

In the US the other prisoners would kill this guy. Any chance of this in Finland?