US universities/colleges still suck

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
here are the top 500 universities in the world

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm

who cares about CS. they all need management to actually communicate what they are saying, because a) 9/10 of them have no people skills, and b) live inside little boxes. maybe they should need to minor in communications or something.

What's a "topt" univiversity??? A university that has a lot of funds to do whatever they like? Anyway that list is bollocks because the university of Ghent is listed before the university of Leuven here in Belgium and everyone knows it's the other way around. And Leuven being equally ranked with the université libre de bruxelles is just one big joke

[Spiffor]

Bah, if it's not Apolyton lore, it's not culture worthy of interest

[Lawrence of Arabia]

traj - the methodology is listed on that page.

[Dis]

why do people have to use the word suck? It's terrible language. You guys have a college education, yet you have to describe things as "sucking".

[Asher]

To be fair, I haven't graduated yet.

[Dis]

and it's an anti-gay word too. As it was originally meant to badmouth (no pun intended) men who suck (as women who suck are good, not bad)

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Trajanus
Anyway that list is bollocks

I think everybody but Asher realizes that.

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Agathon

Computer Science is a rigourous academic subject, ones that Philosophers have been failing out of for decades

Oh rubbish.

It's playing with toys and involves very little original or creative thought. Well it involves what computer scientists would call creative or original thought -- but it bores the hell out of everyone else.

If a contest doesn't include the usual suspects, it's a sign it's a poor contest or one not worth worrying about. It's as if Albania had won the World Cup.

You know, you should really choose your battles.
(I know you stopped participating in this thread but whatever)
Asher is almost never exatly on the money, he always exagerates his side of the argument etc...
But you come fight a battle you know nothing about, and make a fool of yourself.

You have obviously no idea what such a contest is about, what it requires to solve these problems etc...

If you really want to have him up the a*s, then wait until he's bending down, he does it enough.
Right now you're just humping a tree.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Dissident
why do people have to use the word suck? It's terrible language. You guys have a college education, yet you have to describe things as "sucking".

I believe the origin of the term "sucks" or saying something is "sucking" comes from the army term "a sucking chest wound". One a person is shot in the chest so that his lung is punctured the open wound will make a sucking noise every time the person tries to breath since the hole is the quickest way in and out of the lungs. This sucking will also suck blood or dirty into the wounded lung thus causing infection or a slow lingering death as a person drownds in his own blood.

It was considered to be one of the worst wounds a man could get and it was thought better to be shot and killed then to recieve a sucking chest wound. Thus in slang people say "that sucks" to mean something that's really bad.

[Sikander]

Re: Re: US universities/colleges still suck

Originally posted by St Leo

Originally posted by Asher
As you can see, the University of Toronto ... are obviously inferior universities.

I do not dispute that Waterloo is better than Toronto as far as Computer Science is concerned. If I had been in a different fiscal position, I would have gone to Waterloo instead. They did accept me, after all.

Unfortunately, it's all water under the bridge now.

Or all Water down the Loo.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I think everybody but Asher realizes that.

I don't see why it's rubbish. The rankings are consistent, Canadian universities hold their position while American universities keep dropping.

The reason is likely that there are five times as many universities now competing in it than in 1997 when IBM began sponsorship. Most of these new universities are from China, Russia, Eastern Europe...they're displacing the American universities from the list.

Your rationale that the US universities don't care or don't have the money for it are both nonsensical and pretty false on their face.

[dannubis]

Originally posted by Trajanus


What's a "topt" univiversity??? A university that has a lot of funds to do whatever they like? Anyway that list is bollocks because the university of Ghent is listed before the university of Leuven here in Belgium and everyone knows it's the other way around. And Leuven being equally ranked with the université libre de bruxelles is just one big joke

human sciences, wholehearted, yes
exact sciences, big tie
applied sciences : hell no !!!

[Pekka]

Agathon, idiot, what do you mean by original thoughts? Hey.. read the word SCIENCE.. CS as in Computer SCIENCE. The area is quite wide, and when it comes to programming and techniques and all there is to it, just to really grasp what it's truly about, it'll take a long long time and then you are just beginning. It doesnt' stop there either. There's masses of theory involved, design, implementation. The implementation part is only one part of programming. To figure out those, you need to be creative, yet logical and have a mind suitable for the subject. It bores people who can't hack it. Mostly people whose attention span is less than 5 seconds, and who never understood the value of mathematics, even to this date.

It IS creative. It IS problem solving. It IS designing and implementation. To you it means drinking lot of coke while drawing some sketchy UML diagrams, and then coding it together in one night. Right? That says more about you than it says about CS. AND the value of CS and it's contributions to the world are countless. Everything has some kind of processor now, embedded systems, how do you think they work? How do you think new technology works? How do you think ANYTHING would work today if it wasn't for CS. IF it was up to you, we'd be wearing speedos and starving because 'killing animals is wrong'. Right, there you go, why would I even debate this with cannibal communist, who is getting his racist gear on?

You see programming as typing, and then you have some kind of an applications and it does something. Wow.. very creative thoughts. The innovations and the developments of technology is rocketing through skies every day. Can you say the same for many other areas? Sure, they are important also, but as for science, CS brings you the tools to DO science, to research, to come up with better solutions, it gives you the services you use today, for example Apolyton to begin with and many others, like banks, grocery stores and their systems. CS is POWER, it's the past, present and the future where as philosophy is what? Waste of time.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
where as philosophy is what? Waste of time.

Actually, philosophy in today's world can still be important in shaping collective mentalities (many elements of today's western collective mentalities have been first thought by trailblazing philosphers) although philosophy doesn't have the monopoly in this field.

Philosophy has also a remote usefulness in the field of social sciences, because their speculations can bring interesting ideas that could give an overall direction to actual researchers.

[Pekka]

Yeah. so? Day dreaming. It's cool, don't get me wrong. But face value is what? Day dreaming. CS can shape peoples minds, collective minds even more, and philosophy has to start using tools CS has given the world, to spread their own word. Collective mentalities. Yes. Let's give up philosophy and bring out the weed, because it has more credentials being a real substance.