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  • Anglo Saxons poised to despoil France

    To hear Chirac tell it, the "Anglo Saxons" are the new Vikings of the 21st century -- poised to lay waste to the fair French countryside.

    All I have to say is... give us Normandy, or Paris gets sacked!





    A French 'no' to EU will delight British, Chirac tells voters
    By John Lichfield in Paris

    15 April 2005

    A French Non to the EU constitution will "boomerang" against France and delight "Anglo-Saxon" opponents of a powerful Europe, President Jacques Chirac said.

    In his first major contribution to France's increasingly sour EU referendum campaign, President Chirac made it clear that, if the country votes "no", he will ignore the precedent set by his political idol Charles de Gaulle and refuse to resign.

    Debating with 83 young people in a two-hour television political chat show, M. Chirac put up a spirited - if often vague - defence of the proposed new European Union constitution.

    France's voice in Europe would be "silenced" and "Anglo-Saxon" enemies of the EU - in both Britain and America - would be delighted if the French reject a constitution "largely inspired by France and French values," he said.

    Far from being a surrender to "liberal" (ie capitalist) values, as left-wing opponents claim, President Chirac said that the constitution enshrined the French view that market forces were essential but should be "organised" and "humanised".

    He begged the young people invited to the debate at the Elysée Palace - and French voters generally - to "have no fear". France loved to dwell on its problems, he said, but the country had no reason to "plunge into pessimism" and fear that it would lose economically or politically from the constitution.

    "We can always say 'let's reject all that' but please realise that won't solve any of our problems," he said. "You will weaken considerably the voice of France and its capacity to defend its interests. That's what I call a 'boomerang effect'."

    In 13 consecutive opinion polls in the past month, French voters have said that they are planning to reject the EU constitution in a referendum on 29 May. A French Non would in effect wreck the treaty and leave the enlarged EU to struggle on with its existing system of decision-making.

    Opposition to the treaty is especially strong on the left. In part this is a protest vote against 10 per cent unemployment, President Chirac and the floundering centre-right government of Jean-Pierre Raffarin.

    But even many moderate left-wing voters have been persuaded that - quite contrary to the Eurosceptic arguments deployed in Britain - the proposed constitution is an "ultra-liberal", Thatcherite blue-print for savage competition and destruction of public services.

    M. Chirac's audience expressed doubts and confusion about the text. Even those who were broadly pro-treaty, said that - on reading it - they could not grasp its central point or understand much of the detail.

    One young woman asked M. Chirac to give "two or three concrete" examples of how the constitution would benefit France. M. Chirac struggled to give a simple answer. He mentioned a boom in French trade with eastern Europe; the fact that the treaty would enshrine women's rights; and would increase co-operation against international crime.

    But he kept coming back to his central message: France had nothing to fear; this was a French text, hated by "les Anglo Saxons".

    M. Chirac was asked if he would follow the example General de Gaulle, who resigned as president in 1969 after losing a referendum on regional government. President Chirac said that he could reply to that question in one word: Non.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

  • #2
    Chirac is a nationalistc ditzhead.

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    • #3
      and this bothers you why ?
      "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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      • #4
        In France the EU constitution looks Thatcherite. In Britain it looks leftish. Of course these two countries belong in the same political entity
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dannubis
          and this bothers you why ?
          I just think it's funny. Good way to pass the time on a Friday afternoon at work.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6


            Chirac is so desperate that he plays the card of the anti-Anglo rivalry to boost the yes. Amazing

            Thanks DanS. I have always believed the yes would eventually win as the establishment parties would pump up their campaign. However, when I see such arguments, it looks like they're more desperate than I expected
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              i am still at work (20.36PM)

              but it is indeed funny to see how you americans get all worked up if someone 'attacks' your culture.

              oh, and btw since i'm from flanders and we had to kick the french out several times in our history i'm not too keen on their culture neither.
              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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              • #8
                '10% French unemployment'

                I see my boycott is having an effect. Now the French will destroy the EU and throw Chirac out. Everything is going according to plan.
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                • #9
                  pssst

                  you didn't see him wearing his cape... be carefull

                  the dark side clouds ev-er-y-thing !!!

                  a few years from now we will have cloned Pekka into an army of supertroopers and ... TOMORROW THE WORLD !!!
                  "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                  • #10
                    but it is indeed funny to see how you americans get all worked up if someone 'attacks' your culture.
                    Get this straight! We're Anglo Saxons and Ghent is near the area of France we're set to pillage! Don't piss us off.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #11
                      Far from being a surrender to "liberal" (ie capitalist) values, as left-wing opponents claim, President Chirac said that the constitution enshrined the French view that market forces were essential but should be "organised" and "humanised".


                      Why the hell should a constitution enshrine such detailed economic values?

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                      • #12
                        Because 'constitution' here is a misnomer and is in fact a confluencing of other treaties.
                        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                        • #13
                          I think it's hard to call a Constitution as 'surrendering to capitalist values' when there is a right to state provided health care within it. I realize most countries of the world have it. But what capitalist value is that?
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            Imran: it's the other things that get criticized. The public service of health (which isn't precisely guaranteed IIRC, as the constitution enshrines a right to access to health services, not a right to recieve them for free) is taken for granted by the French audience.

                            The constitution enshrines the liberalization of pretty much everything, and it goes completely opposite to the French economic values. It is seen as a terrible regression by most people on the left (and quite a few people on the right). This constitution is far more capitalistic than what our current ways, and that's why it's considered as "thatcherite" (the word we use is "ultra-liberal").
                            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                            • #15
                              that article forgot one important thing (figures.) Chirac also said that he does not understand that pessimisme of the youth (who are the main voters against the constitutions) and this highlights something important:hes out of touch with the youth of the country, and hes getting old, and maybe he should go. heres the original artical that AP ripped off of



                              also, dont forget he plays to the farmers with the PAC.

                              i dont see why DanS is so surprised by what chirac said. this is tailored to a french audience. what do you think bushes speeches sound like in europe when he talks about the evil french, and how europe sucks, to a domestic audience?
                              "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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