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  • #16
    I am sorry, I didn't say "Rebel" or "Carpetbagger"... Perhaps if I use it in a sentence?
    F I X I N T O G E T A A R K A N S A S S T Y L E A S S W H U P P I N "Japher"

    Spelling bees have been in American schools since the 1800s--they are a good academic way to satisfy competitive spirit in youth, and for the most part on the local level it's just good fun between brainiacs. No idea about national level, though. Some kids are actually smart, a few just memorize dictionaries--since the oldest age you can be in a Bee is your 8th grade year (about 13 years old), very few participants have the attention span to go to the work of memorizing dictionaries.

    English is a good language to have a spelling bee in because there are a lot of silent letters, a lot of words that are not spelled phonetically, words borrowed and/or corrupted from nearly every worthwhile spoken language, and sometimes words are just plain strange.

    Fate - the last E is not pronounced, it is "FAYt" (maybe "FAYtuh") not "Fay-tee"
    Orgasmic - the Z sound can be made with s or z. There's no rule of thumb to be sure.
    coup - borrowed from French and not pronounced like a residence for chickens although that's what it looks like. Many borrowed words retain the pronunciations of their original languages, which means you have to know where the hell a word is just plain coming from to say it sometimes.
    fajita - a Mexican food with a "h"-sound J. Although I have witnessed one pronunciation "fuh JEYE tuh", to much laughter.
    words that are just plain strange:
    words that are spelled alike but aren't sound alike
    that are sounded alike but aren't spelled alike
    synonyms that have exactly the same definition and usage
    words with multiple definitions
    words with multiple pronunciations
    on top of that, you get to throw accents in and regional variations in spelling and word usage--a cockney, australian, and Louisianan could not have a decent conversation together without translative aid.
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    • #17
      Spelling bees have been in American schools since the 1800s--they are a good academic way to satisfy competitive spirit in youth, and for the most part on the local level it's just good fun between brainiacs.


      More like since 150-200 years earlier than that.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kuciwalker
        Spelling bees have been in American schools since the 1800s--they are a good academic way to satisfy competitive spirit in youth, and for the most part on the local level it's just good fun between brainiacs.


        More like since 150-200 years earlier than that.
        You mean the pilgrims had spelling bees? I find this hard to believe...
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kamrat X


          You mean the pilgrims had spelling bees? I find this hard to believe...
          Well, you know, get your priorities straight- you're starving, don't know how to plough a field, can't fish to save your life, are having fallouts based on what minority sect you do or don't belong to, wars with hostile natives- solution?



          A spelling contest !
          Last edited by molly bloom; April 15, 2005, 10:07.
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          • #20
            * beware of sweeping generalisations*

            Originally posted by mrmitchell
            a cockney, australian, and Louisianan could not have a decent conversation together without translative aid.
            Seeing as cockneys and Australians are indiscernable half the time I fail to see the translative problems of which you speak, Guv'nor.
            One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Kamrat X
              You mean the pilgrims had spelling bees? I find this hard to believe...
              Spelling bees were common in colonial times. They emerged well before the revolution.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by reds4ever
                They torture children by making them participate in spelling competitions, but, Yanks being Yanks, you would not believe how important it is to win.

                ESPN even cover it
                Of course, the two most pushed kids were first or second-generation immigrants, but let's not have that stop us from making generalizations about the entire country!

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                • #23
                  Learning to spell - good.
                  Turning spelling into some sadistic emotional torture - not good.
                  Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                  Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                  We've got both kinds

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                  • #24
                    second generation immigrants, dude, that's native already. What's up with your racism today?


                    Spelling Bee, Just fine.
                    Spelling Bee with sadistic parents, evil.
                    In da butt.
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                    • #25
                      Spelling bees are dumb. Throw rocks at them.

                      Spelling Bee
                      Spell check
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Pekka
                        second generation immigrants, dude, that's native already. What's up with your racism today?


                        Spelling Bee, Just fine.
                        Spelling Bee with sadistic parents, evil.
                        We have a bit of experience with immigrants in this country, being that people actually WANT TO COME HERE. Unlike, erm, Finland.

                        Anyway, 2nd-generation immigrants are pushed hard by their first-generation parents. Nothing "racist" about it.

                        However, I do love charges of "racism" coming from a country that's what, 99.9% lily-white? What do y'all know about the subject in any of its forms?

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                        • #27
                          Someone make a Spelling Wasp

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mrmitchell

                            F I X I N T O G E T A A R K A N S A S S T Y L E A S S W H U P P I N "Japher"

                            Spelling bees have been in American schools since the 1800s--they are a good academic way to satisfy competitive spirit in youth, and for the most part on the local level it's just good fun between brainiacs. No idea about national level, though. Some kids are actually smart, a few just memorize dictionaries--since the oldest age you can be in a Bee is your 8th grade year (about 13 years old), very few participants have the attention span to go to the work of memorizing dictionaries.

                            English is a good language to have a spelling bee in because there are a lot of silent letters, a lot of words that are not spelled phonetically, words borrowed and/or corrupted from nearly every worthwhile spoken language, and sometimes words are just plain strange.

                            Fate - the last E is not pronounced, it is "FAYt" (maybe "FAYtuh") not "Fay-tee"
                            Orgasmic - the Z sound can be made with s or z. There's no rule of thumb to be sure.
                            coup - borrowed from French and not pronounced like a residence for chickens although that's what it looks like. Many borrowed words retain the pronunciations of their original languages, which means you have to know where the hell a word is just plain coming from to say it sometimes.
                            fajita - a Mexican food with a "h"-sound J. Although I have witnessed one pronunciation "fuh JEYE tuh", to much laughter.
                            words that are just plain strange:
                            words that are spelled alike but aren't sound alike
                            that are sounded alike but aren't spelled alike
                            synonyms that have exactly the same definition and usage
                            words with multiple definitions
                            words with multiple pronunciations
                            on top of that, you get to throw accents in and regional variations in spelling and word usage--a cockney, australian, and Louisianan could not have a decent conversation together without translative aid.
                            You have no idea how difficult other languages are, do you.

                            Try this gems from ze langue de Molière:
                            "Vers un vers d'un verre de vers verts. Vers un vers de vers de verre vert."
                            Yes, they are all pronounced the same way, though have a completely different meaning.
                            Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                            Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                            • #29
                              spelling bees are fun.
                              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                              • #30
                                The film is called 'Spellbound' BTW, it's well worth a watch in a 'Oh My God!'/ roadcrash type of way

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