The equal strengths of Star Wars and Star Trek

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by GePap
Science is purely a set-up in SW- the Doomstar filling the place of the doomsday object- which is a pretty old story device. This is certainly a place were, if you were to rewrite SW in some fantasy setting, the "Death Star" (and you could even keep the same name) could become some awesome crystal based weapon or whatever.

But according to Imran, in SW, Lucas created a watershed plot that had never been done before and was copied by everyone else since! How could this be?

[Ramo]

ST enerds could beat the stecnch of SW nerds.

BTW SW stole their ideas from Dune. ****ign Imrna nad his Paki ideas.

[Ted Striker]

YEAH!!!

****ign Imrna

[Ramo]

but Iwnat you to understand that this man's an attorney. not just some dingbat i pikeced from ethe stret. eh's a forner. pakistani i think. but it doesn't matter, does it? are you prejudiced? Because in spite of his race, this man is valuable.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dissident


anybody else ever wonder why Chewbacca doesn't have a penis?

Perhaps that's what's stuck on the side of Princess Leia's head.

She didn't understand the concept of ear muffs (and wookies are polymorphously polysexual) or they thought that the phrase 'pr!ck up your ears!' was meant to be taken literally...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Putting the foundation series in a "fantasy" setting would force significant thematic changes.

You only think so because you've convinces yourself in your mind it would. All you have to is change the theory of Psycohistory into something that was gained by magic. Why does the theory formed by magic have to be perfect? So that it won't fit and you can claim it is different? Magic doesn't have to be perfect and a theory formed by magical means may have to be constantly revised.

Why does a future predicted using magic have to be perfect? What hard fast rule says that may be so? Don't people knowing of the prediction change their actions and thus change the prediction?

But according to Imran, in SW, Lucas created a watershed plot that had never been done before and was copied by everyone else since! How could this be?

Ah you and your strawmen. To Boris non-cliche = watershed plot! Can you come back when you actually read posts instead of inventing them in your head?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Ah you and your strawmen. To Boris non-cliche = watershed plot! Can you come back when you actually read posts instead of inventing them in your head?

It's cliche now, because movies have aped Star Wars in that regard.

You're the one saying that everyone is mimicking SW. Keep weaseling.

[Dr Strangelove]

Actually George Lucas studied mythology in college and borrowed the elements of a number of mythological epics when he wrote the basic Star Wars story.

[MosesPresley]

Red Dwarf is the superior sci-fi universe.

[Brent]

Red Dwarf is garbage.

[Ted Striker]

So 2 out of 3 episodes the fans picked as their all time favorites for Enterprise involved...

TIME TRAVEL

[Brent]

Time travel rules. In 2010 we'll have a series all about time travellers from the 30th century. They'll visit ancient Vulcan, ancient Qo'nos, ancient Andor, ancient Bajor, the Iconians, the T'Kon, the Menthar, the Promellians, Earth in the days of the Bible, the ancient Americas, each of the starships Enterprise, and of course the Star Wars Galaxy.

[Ted Striker]

Time travel = crutch for bad writing

[Ted Striker]

Next week we get to see the crew hit it with green Orion chicks.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
You're the one saying that everyone is mimicking SW. Keep weaseling.

Where is the weaseling here except on your part? A film can't use things that have been done before (but are not cliche) and because of its success spawn so many imitators that it becomes cliche?



Try to think things through once in while Boris, will you?

Actually George Lucas studied mythology in college and borrowed the elements of a number of mythological epics when he wrote the basic Star Wars story.

Yep. Joseph Campbell (big mythology scholar) had a documentary looking at connections between Star Wars and some of the epic stories in the past. Though, of course that doesn't makes the pieces cliche, as Boris has asserted.

The only real cliche in SW was the whole chosen one stuff. Other things had been done before, but were far from cliche.