The equal strengths of Star Wars and Star Trek

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by GePap


What "other plane"?

There's dozens, even hundreds, of them.



The material planes are where most "normal" worlds exist.

Then there are the transitive planes (The Astral Plane, the Etheral Plane, the Shadow Plane, and the Dimension of Time) which act as a sort of bridge between the material planes and the inner and outer planes.

The inner planes are elemental in nature, while the outer planes are manifestations of thoughts, emotions, and beliefs - and that is where most gods live. (The city of Sigil where Planescape: Torment takes place is in the center of the outer planes)

[GePap]

Originally posted by General Ludd


There's dozens, even hundreds, of them.



The material planes are where most "normal" worlds exist.

Then there are the transitive planes (The Astral Plane, the Etheral Plane, the Shadow Plane, and the Dimension of Time) which act as a sort of bridge between the material planes and the inner and outer planes.

The inner planes are elemental in nature, while the outer planes are manifestations of thoughts, emotions, and beliefs - and that is where most gods live. (The city of Sigil where Planescape: Torment takes place is in the center of the outer planes)

Not all, stories that use magic use this plot point, but even with another plane, so what? Some more abstract physics theories expect a universe with multiple dimensions- If you know about said plane, its relation to your plane, how to move about, who to make predictions and so forth, again, Magic loses its "unknown" quantity.

But as I said before, that does not then make the story sci if, it makes it a fantasy universe where people have come to undertstand this force.

[General Ludd]

as I said before, that does not then make the story sci if, it makes it a fantasy universe where people have come to undertstand this force.

Because...

at the basis there is the notion that this other "non-real" force exists

But -

Some more abstract physics theories expect a universe with multiple dimensions

[GePap]

Saying there are multiple dimensions does not equal stating there is a force that somehow is able to trump gravity, electromagnetism, the weak and the strong nuclear force, which is what magic invariably does in fantasy stories.

The point, whcih you missed, is that just saying there are mutliple dimensions is not in and of itself "magical", as such a thing can be proposed throught the study of those forces we do know about in an attempt to explain them.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by GePap
Saying there are multiple dimensions does not equal stating there is a force that somehow is able to trump gravity, electromagnetism, the weak and the strong nuclear force, which is what magic invariably does in fantasy stories.

I just explained to you that magic in the D&D universe is not simply a "force" that can "trump" physical laws. Magic is mostly a manipulation of the other planes.

A wizard can not "trump" the laws of gravity, but he can converge with the ethereal plane where gravity does not exist.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by General Ludd

I just explained to you that magic in the D&D universe is not simply a "force" that can "trump" physical laws. Magic is mostly a manipulation of the other planes.

I believe thats evocation magic.

[centrifuge]

Magic = the unexplainable. You will never hear a Jedi say that "the Force" is magic, and that is because they understand it. Those that do not understand will call it "magic" a "hokey religion" etc.

The same goes for wizards in D&D, they study it, they understand how it works, but it is far more mysterious (ie magical) for those that don't understand how it works.

The same also btw goes for people who do not understand modern day/real life science.

[Ted Striker]

centrifuge,

What is the difference between spells from wizards and spells from priests? In terms of the source of their energy.

Always been curious about that one.

[Drake Tungsten]

Not you too, Ted...

[centrifuge]

Hmmm interesting point. Spells from priests are supposed to come from the power of a deity I'd imagine, whereas "Energy spells" would be more of a physical phenomenon. Of course this can bring up arguments such as "God is a physical phenomenon" etc. but fiction can't cover all bases.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Not you too, Ted...

Nah.

I played some online games when I was younger but I don't have time for that nowadays.

I still like the magical side of it though, for a number of reasons, mostly how it relates to real life on a spiritual, religious level.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by centrifuge
Hmmm interesting point. Spells from priests are supposed to come from the power of a deity I'd imagine, whereas "Energy spells" would be more of a physical phenomenon. Of course this can bring up arguments such as "God is a physical phenomenon" etc. but fiction can't cover all bases.

Thanks

[GePap]

Read Terry Pratchett for the answer to that one-and a lot more things.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
centrifuge,

What is the difference between spells from wizards and spells from priests? In terms of the source of their energy.

Always been curious about that one.

In D&D, a wizard's spell is made by direct manipulation of the magic weave (which, as I understand it, is sort of the 'glue' that holds the multiverse together, and runs through every plane of existance). The weave is also largley dependant on Mystra, who directs it into a predictable and controlable element, where her guidance over the weave is absent, magic is chaotic and wild.


Priest's spells, on the other hand, are essentially acts of god - the priest asks the god for something, and the god does the magic. Gods are basically super-wizards.

[Lonestar]

As I have neither the time, nor the bandwith to stumble through this mockery of Science Fiction, I shall just say this:

ST: The good guys are a bunch of communist retards who couldn't fight there way out of a wet paper bag.

SW: Free-market, galactic wide civilizations with FTL much faster than warp, and a halfway competant military on both sides.

SW wins.