China, Iran, Vietnam totally pwn the US

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Wycoff


DBTS wanted to turn this into a "justify the DP" thread.

Who needs to justify it?

The only people who shoud have a problem with it are Christians or people who follow other religions where killing is wrong considered wrong.

For the rest of us, let's kill more useless scumbags and get moving up that leaderboard.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by MikeH
Who needs to justify it?

The only people who shoud have a problem with it are Christians or people who follow other religions where killing is wrong considered wrong.

For the rest of us, let's kill more useless scumbags and get moving up that leaderboard.

[Tuberski]

Re: China, Iran, Vietnam totally pwn the US

Originally posted by MikeH

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/05/amnesty.death/index.html

Executions in 2004:

China: 3400 (although this is alleged to be only the tip of the iceberg, could be as many as 10,000 or more)
Iran: 159
Vietnam: 64
USA: 59

But China loses points for this:

Jailed 'Killer' Freed After Wife Turns Up Alive

Mon Apr 4, 8:21 AM ET Oddly Enough - Reuters



BEIJING (Reuters) - A Chinese man jailed and badly beaten for his wife's murder has been freed after she turned up not only alive but with another husband, domestic media said on Monday, revealing a brutal arbitrariness to China's legal system.


She Xianglin's wife, Zhang Zaiyu, disappeared after a domestic dispute in 1994 and when a woman's body was found in a local reservoir, She was detained on suspicion of killing his wife, the China Daily said.


The body was so decomposed it could not be identified, but a local court found She, a former part-time police officer from central Hubei province, guilty of murder and sentenced him to death.


A provincial court later commuted the sentence to 15 years in prison.


She, 39, was coerced into confessing to her murder and badly beaten in prison, the China Daily said.


International human rights groups say police torture is widespread in China and that suspects are held for long periods without trial. But it is rare for a victim, or the domestic media, to go public about police brutality.


She told the Beijing News that when he was first apprehended, police took him to a remote house and interrogated him for 11 days. He was given just two bowls of rice a day, nearly no water, prevented from sleeping and threatened with death.


"A policeman put his gun to my head and said, 'Believe me, I could shoot you right now'," She was quoted as saying from a prison hospital bed, where he was receiving a physical check before being released on Friday.


He said he did not remember making a confession, though the local court that ruled on his case was told he had.


The China Daily said photographs published since She's release showed he had been severely beaten while in jail and his legs and fingers broken.


Zhang resurfaced in late March in eastern Shandong province, where she had gone in 1994 and later married a local man, the China Daily said.


She said he wanted compensation for his years in jail and justice to be done.


"I want those officials involved in my conviction punished," he was quoted as saying.

If they want to stay on top they are going to have to kill people like this........

ACK!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Boshko

Yeah, but its almost impossible to get reliable information about that.

But then how do you count the NKorean refugees that China sends back to their deaths in NKorea on a regular basis? Do they get double-counted?

It also doesn't count people who die in prison withut ever recieving a fair trial. Many of the African or Central Asian states don't even bother with the formailities. I doubt North Korea does either in many cases.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by MikeH
This is not a "is the Death Penalty good or bad" thread, it's about getting higher up the league table.

I hope we don't get relegated

[Dinner]

Originally posted by kronic

According to Amnesty, 3/5 of all countries have abolished the death penalty for all crimes in law or in practice (including all countries of the "western world" with the execption of one ):

So basically your map confirmed exactly what I said! Europe and Latin America outlawed it (along with a few tag alongs like Australia, Canada, and South Africa) while just about everyone else still allows it.

Why not just say "Yes, you're right Oerdin" rather then playing silly numbers games?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
it is 'funny' to see that the most powerfull and rich country in the world and the weakest and poorest countries do have something in common.

An understanding that the death penality saves lives by acting as a deterent?

[Kontiki]

So your assertion is that without the DP, there'd be way more murders in the US than there already is? That's a scary thought.

[Dinner]

I must admit that I am not the most objective person when it comes to Amnesty International. I am still very angry about how AI fired off a priority press release condemning the Coalition any time an Iraqi was killed or injured any where near Coalition troops but I never saw or heard of a single one condemning Insurgents for their activities. I imagine a few press releases did get made just to take the heat off of them but Sunnis executing people who spoke ill of Saddam, attacks on police or government workers, kidnappings, beheadings, assassinations, and other such things by the insurgents came and went with narry a peep out of AI but no bridge was to far if they could critisize the Coalition.

I remember one AI press release which condemned the Coalition because insurgents attacked a patrol in Iraq when they were going through a market place. Naturally starting a gun fit in a market place resulted in civilians being hit and while the US soldiers were ordered to fire one aimed bullet at a time the insurgents (never very well trained) were just hosing everything in sight. Naturally, AI blamed the US and said Coalition Forces should just avoid all cities. Just a short time before AI was lashing the US for not patroling enough to maintain law and order.

I guess I'm a bit jaded but I see AI as being just another partisan hack organization with a political agenda. They don't even seem to try to be fair sometimes.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Oerdin


An understanding that the death penality saves lives by acting as a deterent?

...and ya keep saying it!!

Is this like religious faith? ie unprovable but you know it is true?

[Spec]

Originally posted by alva
Shoudn't North Korea be on that list?

Or Congo, Lybia, Syria, Solmalia, Salvador.....................

Or are these executions vigilanties and not entered in the "Big Book of Execution 2004"

Spec.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Wezil
...and ya keep saying it!!

Is this like religious faith? ie unprovable but you know it is true?

Thanks, but I've been in enough death penality threads not to bite that one. It always degenerates into link fests with the pro and anti camps posting link after link which supports their views. I've seen enough studies which lead me to believe it's true; throw on common sense and you have a winner.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Wezil
...and ya keep saying it!!

Is this like religious faith? ie unprovable but you know it is true?

There are studies that show a detterant effect of the DP. Of course there are studies that say opposite. It depends on which ones you believe.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Spec
Or Congo, Lybia, Syria, Solmalia, Salvador.....................

Or are these executions vigilanties and not entered in the "Big Book of Execution 2004"

Spec.

But if you included them then the US wouldn't look so bad so we can't allow that to happen.

[Wezil]

"common sense"

Does not seem to support the position you hold but that's okay. I don't engage in arguments of faith b/c they tend to be silly.