Ford lies about fuel economy.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Odin
Ford = Fix Or Repair Daily

or my other favorite...

Found On Road Dead

[Spec]

Originally posted by Azazel
Yeah, ford ain't all bad: I mean, they own Mazda, for example.

They dont OWN Mazda, they own PART of Mazda. 47% to be exact, so Mazda still has control over their production.

Spec.

[Spec]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Not surprisingly people in the know disagree with you. They make their living monitoring and comparing this stuff and Ward's Auto World (a trade publication for the Auto Industry) says some Ford engine's are amoung the best you can buy.

http://subscribers.wardsauto.com/mic...1004&siteid=26

Yes, for pick-ups.


Spec.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Spec
They dont OWN Mazda, they own PART of Mazda. 47% to be exact, so Mazda still has control over their production.

Spec.

Sorry, but Japanese law says that any share holder who owns 33% of a company's shares has veto power. They can't force through their own plans but the can block anyone elses plans so that is a major amount of control.

In order to have total control of a company in Japan you must own 66% plus one share.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Spec
Yes, for pick-ups.


Spec.

The claim made by Asher was that "Ford couldn't build an engine to save it's life" . Ward's auto says that Ford engine is one of the ten best on the market today.

[Asher]

I really don't care what they say, I know the truth.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Asher
I really don't care what they say, I know the truth.

Hmmm... a typical Asher response... ignore the facts and base his opinion on something he really knows nothing about

[Az]

They dont OWN Mazda, they own PART of Mazda. 47% to be exact, so Mazda still has control over their production.

Spec

Mazda could have control over their production even if they were a wholly owned subsidiary.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Azazel
Mazda could have control over their production even if they were a wholly owned subsidiary.

Mazda has complete control over the design of their cars, it was part of Ford's "strategy" when they bought such a large share. Diversity in the line.

Ming: Fords are statistically less reliable and less fuel efficient than Toyotas, Hondas, and Mazdas. It's a fact, and one known by most people...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Asher
I really don't care what they say, I know the truth.

Translation: "I don't care what the facts are I'm going with my personal bias!"

[Asher]

I always go back to these fugly but informative charts...

http://www.autooninfo.net/ReliabilityPercentranksFord.htm

Methadology: http://www.autooninfo.net/AutoonInfo/Methodology.htm

There are your facts, ladies and gentlemen. Now continue lecturing me about my personal bias.

What would that be, anyway? Is it my Japanese heritage that is forming my bias, or is it your American citizenship forming yours? Peculiar.

[Tuberski]

For FORD owners:

Fixed Or Rebuilt Dodge.

ACK!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tuberski
For FORD owners:

Fixed Or Rebuilt Dodge.

ACK!

Dodge is worse:

[Kidlicious]

I've got an old Ford which is pretty reliable actually.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Asher
There are your facts, ladies and gentlemen. Now continue lecturing me about my personal bias.

I will continue... since your "facts" are not engine specific, and that's the point of contention