Schiavo Pt. Four

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Edan
May we Rest In Peace.

Amen!

Sadly, I don't think Ned will shut up, even when it's the appropriate time to do so.

[self biased]

Originally posted by General Ludd

agreed. let this matter rest.

[Evil Knevil]

http://the****society.com/robin/terri.html

I'm going straight to hell. But then again, so are these people:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/politics/29donate.html?ex=1269752400&en=f1312f1b5ae170ad&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

edit: The first link should have the f--k word where the asterisks are. Forgot about the forum rules.

[Shi Huangdi]

R.I.P

May God have mercy on her soul, and mercy on the soul of all those responsible for this.

[Patroklos]

Starving people to death

[Evil Knevil]

She's not a person, she's a vegetable. Or at least was...

Do vegetables stop being vegetables once they're dead? I mean, the carrots in my fridge aren't going to suddenly start growing again....

[Solver]

If it's called a vegetable state, doesn't mean she's no longer human.

Just one thing I wonder about, how sure can we be that she didn't experience pain during this? For a conscious person, obviously, being starved to death would be very unpleasant. And since people in a PVS don't recover, how do we know they don't feel pain if starved?

[alva]

They can probably monitor those things and else screening her blood might give a clue too. I'm not a doctor though.

[Pekka]

Yes this horrible crime happened because people let it happen, thus Americans will never get to heaven, murdering innocent people who can't defend themselves

j/k

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by Solver
If it's called a vegetable state, doesn't mean she's no longer human.

Just one thing I wonder about, how sure can we be that she didn't experience pain during this? For a conscious person, obviously, being starved to death would be very unpleasant. And since people in a PVS don't recover, how do we know they don't feel pain if starved?

Vegetable state? I'd like to live there. Do they have low taxes?

Because the parts of her brain that deal with pain and integration were goo.

and not the fun kind of goo like at the centre of a caramel cup.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Is this the thread where we get to talk about teh swift boat vets against John Kerry?


RIP Terry...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Solver
For a conscious person, obviously, being starved to death would be very unpleasant.

Not necessarily. My grandmother essentially "starved to death" when she died in 1994. She was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer. When given the options, she asked that they just make her comfortable and let her go. So they removed the IVs and let her die on her own terms. She could have complained at any time about discomfort, but she never did. She wasn't "hungry" at all. People tend to have a distorted picture of what actually happens to people in these situations.

And since people in a PVS don't recover, how do we know they don't feel pain if starved?

If the cerebral cortex is fried like Terri's was, they aren't consciously aware of anything. But regardless, they can also use sedatives to insure there is no pain.

[Alex]

wow, she's gone...

now let's talk about britney's pregnancy.

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by Alex
wow, she's gone...

now let's talk about britney's pregnancy.

Is that confirmed? I can't find the info on any reputable news pages.

links?

[Solver]

Not necessarily. My grandmother essentially "starved to death" when she died in 1994. She was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer. When given the options, she asked that they just make her comfortable and let her go. So they removed the IVs and let her die on her own terms. She could have complained at any time about discomfort, but she never did. She wasn't "hungry" at all. People tend to have a distorted picture of what actually happens to people in these situations.

Interesting, so what does it take for there to be no unpleasant sensations? Surely the people in Africa do feel bad when starving... is it perhaps people that are dying of other causes, like cancer here, that don't feel the discomfort of hunger?