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    Better ask: IRS may consider eBay sales as income
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Hawking baby and children's clothes — along with some garage sale and thrift store bargains — on eBay helps Sunni Wojnarowsky bring in some extra money so she can afford to stay home with her two young boys.
    The additional dollars are great, but does she really need to hassle with the paperwork and report her small profit to the Internal Revenue Service? Her question, posed to the online auction site's discussion board for sellers, generated much advice — and more confusion.

    "You can't get an answer from anybody," Wojnarowsky said in an interview from her home in Brunswick, Ohio. "It would be nice to have a straightforward answer of yes, you file taxes, or no, you don't."

    More than 135 million people have registered to use the auction site that calls itself "the world's online marketplace." Buyers bought more than $34 billion worth of merchandise there last year. (Related item: eBay turns 10)

    Some people make money by cleaning out items from their closets; others use the site to run small businesses.

    In tax law, there is no clear, bright line that separates fun from profit, or a hobby from a business. But IRS instructions make it clear that all income — a category that includes bribes, gambling winnings, kickbacks and money made in illegal activities — can be taxed.

    "When you're working on the Internet, it's kind of a gray issue," said Bart Fooden, a certified public accountant in Woodbury, N.Y., who advises small businesses and individuals. "The big issue is whether you're doing it as a business or not."

    The IRS can apply a list of nine indicators that might prove whether someone's online auctions amount to a business. These indicators include evidence that the taxpayer depends on the income, acts in a businesslike manner, or puts enough time and effort into the activity to suggest a profit motive.

    Fooden said the difference between a hobby and a business can often be the seller's intent.

    If someone is selling the junk that is collecting dust in a garage or basement, then that person probably is getting less than he paid for it — no profit here. But if someone is buying goods in bulk from a wholesaler and hoping to make a couple extra bucks reselling each one, then that person could have just started a profitable business, Fooden said.

    On the other hand, some categories are not so clear.

    If a great-aunt's collection of antique china fetched top dollar from collectors, that might mean capital gains taxes are owed. And if someone scours neighborhood garage sales for great deals on comic books to resell on eBay, that might amount to running a business.

    It often is best to ask a tax professional, said Bob Miller, who says he spends about 18 hours a day on eBay, selling collectable postage stamps and advising other buyers and sellers from his home in northern Utah.

    "When the person that you owe the money to can throw you in jail, it's always a good idea to get professional advice," he said.

    eBay spokesman Chris Donlay said the company does not report individual sales to the tax authorities. eBay urges users, in the site's educational materials and seminars, to learn about tax issues.

    "It's really up to the seller, just like offline," he said. "We are just a venue, really. We're sort of like the mall landlord or the owner of the parking lot where the flea market happens."

    It takes so little effort to set up shop on eBay that some might overlook the tax issues, Miller said.

    "If you have an e-mail address, you can start selling. If you're a U.S.-based seller, you need to have a credit card and a bank account," Miller said.

    "People have a feeling that they're selling on eBay, they're not a business. It's not true. If you are selling and making a profit, you have to declare it."

    An eBay survey last year found that 430,000 of its U.S. sellers make a significant portion or all of their revenue from selling on eBay.

    While it might sound like nothing good can come of the headache involved in claiming a small profit from online auctions, consider the perks. Business expenses can be deducted from profits. That includes the cost of the goods sold, fees, supplies and maybe a home office — if the qualifications are met.

    Wojnarowsky said she plans to report her eBay profits, which she estimates at roughly $2,000, but she is not looking forward to it.

    Last year, the Wojnarowsky paid a $400 tax preparation fee, which included a business schedule to report online auction earnings. This year, they will crunch the numbers themselves using tax preparation software.

    "I talked to a friend of mine who does eBay, and she's not filing because she said it's not regulated," Wojnarowsky said. "But my fear is, yeah, but what if you're wrong? I don't want to pay the fine."
    About time. Pay yer taxes like the rest of us, you bums!

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    • #3
      Good!
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        But IRS instructions make it clear that all income — a category that includes bribes, gambling winnings, kickbacks and money made in illegal activities — can be taxed.


        Bribes aren't illegal activites?
        I changed my signature

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        • #5
          Just cuz it's illegal doesn't mean it isn't taxable. How do you think they broght down Al Capone?
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #6
            Of course they are illegal, but doesn't mean they can't be taxed. It's another layer of criminal charges that can apply.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              They listed bribes and illegal activities, implying that they were seperate.
              I changed my signature

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              • #8
                we had a case here recently where a convicted drug dealer got a tax assessment on his drug dealing
                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                • #9
                  Why is it that tax agencies are always described in terms of homosexual power-sex, in any culture?
                  "Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
                  "...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gamecube64
                    They listed bribes and illegal activities, implying that they were seperate.
                    Because you can't list all of them. It's a catch all.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      In answer to the original post. Yes, it is taxable income. Schedule C in fact. And yes, they will go after you if they notice you.

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                      • #12
                        "The big issue is whether you're doing it as a business or not."


                        If you do it as a hobby (only a few sales a year) it will likely be treated as a hobby and hence non-taxable income. As a business, taxable.

                        Its like running a lemonade stand once every few months, you don't need to declare that income. That doesn't mean Schweppes can sell lemonade tax-free though.
                        I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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                        • #13
                          leave pierluigi alone!!!!
                          "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                          • #14
                            that's how it works here.


                            The Australian drug income tax involved a criminal court case which included working out how much the drug dealer had earned from illegal drugs as part of the evidence. After he was found guilty the tax office hit him with a tax bill. As far as the tax office was concerned income is income. They didn't care how he earned his livelihood.
                            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                            • #15
                              Same in the UK, if they want to be 'funny' about it. Any income is taxable.

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