Another means of population control for China?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I heard in prehistoric times, man just littered all of the bones and carcasses from their kill all over the place when they were done with them... for profit and the pro-historic system, right?

My statement doesn't fit into that context. But you knew that didn't you.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by General Ludd
I agree with the sentiment of everything you've said in this thread, Kid.

Right On

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Again, polution isn't caused by people making ill-informed decisions or because people are evil. It's created because people seek profit,

Doing something "for profit" doesn't absolve someone of being evil.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Sava
Doing something "for profit" doesn't absolve someone of being evil.

It doesn't matter if they are evil or not. They just do what they do. A system is required to take peoples actions into consideration.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Elok
I'm not sure how anyone profits directly or indirectly from polluting the water. They profit over the short term by not having to regulate and thus producing goods more cheaply, but ignoring the devastating long-term consequences, as Sava indicated, is just idiotic.

The first thing you need to know about Chinese business practice is that there is ONLY the short term.

That means that polluting is actually a rational and profitable practice. And in China most anything that is profitable is acceptable.

Contributing factors: Most Chinese don't care much about the environment. Most Chinese also could not care less about the welfare of anyone they don't personally know.

Put these together and you have colossal-scale ecological disaster.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
If anything, the situation in America would tend to support the notion that in capitalism, environmentally friendly policies can exist.

Only if you ignore reality.

[Velociryx]

Good article, Og, and it underscores the point that China's rise to economic dominance is anything but an absolute certainty.

This is *exactly* the kind of problem that can throw a nation off track in extreme ways. 2.8 Billion to provide clean water for 57 million. At that rate, China would have to spend...what...5-6 Trillion bucks just on water?

(I hope GePap doesn't see this thread tho, he'll have heart failure!)

Gonna refrain from commenting to Kid and Che...we alredy know where each other stands...

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

This kind of thing has to be pissing off the rural poor in China. If China's economy does implode there could be hell to pay.

[Velociryx]

Gonna be hell to pay anyway. The people who are getting rich off of the growth in China's economy will wind up having to spend all their spare coin on something to drink.

But I agree with your basic sentiment and think that this kinna thing makes such an implosion more likely, rather than less likely, for sure.

-=Vel=-

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Perhaps even a capitalist revolution to prevent the horrors of central planning.

[child of Thor]

I'm sure its a neo-con conspiricy - they must have encouraged china's new capitalism, knowing that it would ferment civil unrest and maybe lead to the overthrowing of the communists.




anybody want to go into business shipping bottled water to china?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Gonna be hell to pay anyway. The people who are getting rich off of the growth in China's economy will wind up having to spend all their spare coin on something to drink.

I think the people in the cities get clean water. The govt doesn't care how many rural poor die, because there are too many of them anyway.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I think the people in the cities get clean water. The govt doesn't care how many rural poor die, because there are too many of them anyway.

probably have less political clout too. Still it sounds like the makings of a sci-fi future distopian movie, where they all end up starving after realising no one is making the food anymore.

[Velociryx]

Central Planning! Nooooo!

Child of Thor...good plan...imagine the customer base!

Kid - yeah, the problem is tho, China's growth is...what, just shy of nil?

They lose too much of that oft-touted population edge and they fall off the horse, but good.

So sad when economic principles (like diminishing utility) get applied to living, breathing humans, but I suspect you're right, and that is, in fact, what is occuring.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Central Planning! Nooooo!

Water is usually centrally planned even if it's privatized.

So sad when economic principles (like diminishing utility) get applied to living, breathing humans, but I suspect you're right, and that is, in fact, what is occuring.