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    This is quite a surprise. A majority of French people are against the proposed EU constitution. It will be voted on in May. France was going first in these constitution votes because the political class thought they had a yes vote in the bag, which in turn was supposed to build momentum for the other countries' votes.

    What I want to know is why voting down an obviously attrocious proposed constitution could be described in any way as a "cataclysm." The cataclysm happened during the constitution writing process. There is no shame in recognizing the fact that the proposed constitution needs a fresh start. Likewise, voting yes for a horrid proposed constitution just because nothing else is readily available seems absurd to me (this is the notion that the EU will be somehow suffer a setback because of a fresh start on constitution writing).

    NB: I can understand voting for something that is bad, but all-in-all the best that can be done under the circumstances. This is decidedly not the case with regard to the proposed new constitution, of course.

    Here's FT's reporting...

    Poll shows French cooling on EU treaty
    By John Thornhill and Fred Kapner in Paris and George Parker in Brussels
    Published: March 18 2005 12:00 | Last updated: March 18 2005 18:46

    France / EuFrance's political elite was stunned on Friday by an opinion poll that showed for the first time a majority of voters opposed the European Union constitutional treaty.

    Jacques Delors, former president of the European Commission, warned of a “political cataclysm” if France voted No to the constitution in a national referendum on May 29.

    However, Mr Delors predicted that the Yes campaign, which has only just been launched, would ultimately prevail. “I believe in the good sense of the people. They will not confuse this vote with questions of internal politics,” Mr Delors said in a newspaper interview.

    The poll of 802 people, conducted earlier this week, showed that 51 per cent of respondents would vote No if the referendum were held on Sunday. Support for the Yes campaign slumped 14 points from the previous month to 49 per cent, following a tumultuous spell in French politics.

    Over the past few weeks, the unemployment rate has climbed above 10 per cent, the trade unions have staged mass protests against the government's reforms, and the finance minister has been forced to quit over a housing scandal.

    President Jacques Chirac has also engaged in a public dispute with José Manuel Barroso, the Commission president, over a draft European services directive which the French president has labelled “unacceptable” in its present form.

    The directive, which seeks to free the European services market, has been seized upon by the No camp in France as evidence that Europe is heading in an excessively “liberal” direction.

    Jean-Daniel Lévy, director of studies at the CSA institute, which conducted the opinion poll, said it was far too early to predict the outcome of the French referendum. “The debate has not yet focused on the fundamentals of the constitution but revolves around whether France is functioning well,” he told the FT. “But there is a very strong evolution of opinion against the Yes.” Mr Lévy noted a particularly sharp drop in support for the treaty among socialist voters because of the recent social unrest. Last December, a clear majority of Socialist Party members, who voted in an internal party ballot, opted to support the constitution.

    Jean-Pierre Raffarin, prime minister, put a brave face on the poll, published on Friday in Le Parisien newspaper, suggesting it would help to galvanise the campaign. “This uncertainty about the result is going to create a debate,” he said yesterday. “If the result is known in advance, then people do not feel personally responsible. But with a 50:50 situation, the French will be personally responsible for their choice.” The European Commission said on Friday it was “disturbed” by the growing No campaign in France, but denied that its controversial services directive was largely to blame.

    The EU constitution, which contains new rules for the expanded union and strengthens Europe's foreign and security policy, can come into force only when all 25 members adopt it.

    Mr Barroso fears French politicians are fuelling euroscepticism with their attacks on Brussels over the directive. But Jacques Barrot, the French EU transport commissioner, is among those concerned at Mr Barroso's “peculiarly ill-timed” speech on Monday, in which he defended the directive.
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  • #2

    The proposed EU constitution as written is a bloated inflexible POS.
    Stop Quoting Ben

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    • #3
      Netherlanders are agin it too.

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      • #4
        We are not voting No against the constitution, which is quite good considering everything, but against the stupid president of the Commission who is trying to force the Bolkeinstein directive, and against the association of Turqy withe the EU.
        Statistical anomaly.
        The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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        • #5
          They'll just keep voting until they get a yes like the Irish did earlier.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #6
            Your proposed Constitution is a nightmare. No matter why you vote it down, just do so. The way the EU is structured, once you get something in the Constitution, you'll never get it out.

            Confederation
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
              Your proposed Constitution is a nightmare.
              I wonder whether you do not know how the EU is built, or you ignore the content of the constitution, or possibly both.
              Statistical anomaly.
              The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DAVOUT
                We are not voting No against the constitution, which is quite good considering everything, but against the stupid president of the Commission who is trying to force the Bolkeinstein directive (...)
                That's what I heard also.

                That seems to be the general way of things even with the media who are supposed to know better (those apparently supporting it). I saw parts of a news program here last night about the constitution and not once did I hear any arguments against the constitution. I only heard arguments against the EU.

                I'm not really for or against it yet myself, but those referenda will not be about the constitution, they'll be about Europe. That will probably be largely Europe's own damn fault too, thanks to a complete lack of information from their part.

                The only thing I'm afraid of is that a "no" vote will only result in an even worse constitution proposal later on.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DAVOUT
                  I wonder whether you do not know how the EU is built, or you ignore the content of the constitution, or possibly both.
                  I'll admit I'm not an expert on either, but I know that will all the regulations being built into your Constitution you don't have a constitution, but a whole set of laws. A consitution should be a legal framework. It should be short and sweet, not detailing regulations.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    I agree with Che. A constitution should be about laying out the structure of government, the rights and liberties of the people, and how to amend. you don't need 200 pages to do that.

                    Confederation:

                    United States of Europe:

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                    • #11
                      USA USA USA
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Odin
                        United States of Europe:
                        We already have one "United States of...".
                        Besides, "Satan's Final Empire" sounds much better
                        The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.

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                        • #13
                          A superstate uniting all western nations:

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                          • #14
                            World government . . . when the world is ready!!!
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #15
                              eh... while world government may sound like a nice idea, I don't think it would be very practical. Plus, it would most likely require humanity to have more of a homogenous culture. Personally, I think diversity is a good thing. I'd hate to see the world united behind a single ideology. I'm vary wary about a strong government, and what stronger government than one that controls the entire world.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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