Judge rejects right-to-die delay

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Good lord, have you read anything about the case? Michael Schiavo, her legal guardian, has said all along that she had expressed to him her desire that, should anything happen to put her in such a state, she should be allowed to die.

Nope.

Except you haven't done that, you've just made more stupid arguments of your own. It's easy to knock down strawmen, after all.

Yeah your arguments blew over as quick as Fez's.

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[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


You haven't refuted my arguments, you've set up strawmen to argue against. Try again.

I set up strawmen of your creation.

It's all that activist judge's fault.

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[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Good lord, have you read anything about the case? Michael Schiavo, her legal guardian, has said all along that she had expressed to him her desire that, should anything happen to put her in such a state, she should be allowed to die.



Except you haven't done that, you've just made more stupid arguments of your own. It's easy to knock down strawmen, after all.

excatly my point he claims she expressed to him Nobody else has heard otherwise on what he claims she wanted This is what he says Does that make it true? nobody knows but him and her.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
Who did she express that she didnt want to live to? the husband who has a gf and new kids? please give me a break those are his words not hers. I see nobody has answered why he just doesnt let her be and let her folks deal with her

He's the legal guardian, it's his word that matters. It's all we have to go on. I don't see how his having a "gf and new kids" renders what he says suddenly less credible.

As for the second question, why not believe Schiavo himself when he has said the reason he hasn't just "let her be" is because he loves her and wants to do what she wished of him?

Maybe the reason that I feel so comfortable with the morality of my position in this case is that the opposition has to resort to smearing Michael Schiavo as a liar, uncaring husband and greedy opportunist in order to make it's case.

[GePap]

Whether she "feels pain" is immaterial.

This whole bit is just like the Elian Gonzales case, a situation in whcih the law is pretty clear, but emotions and political ideology get in the way.

Well, this is a country of laws- many of them are bad, but until the are changed, they are the law- The husband hasd the power to make the legal choice- its terribly sad that the parents have not let go of their daughter, but the spouse has the say.

I think it is a farce to have the US congress getting involved into purely personal matters of this kind where the law is relatively clear on the matter.

[Sava]

I'm just waiting for someone to use the "activist judge" argument.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Nope.

So...your ignorance about the issue is my problem...how?

Except you haven't done that, you've just made more stupid arguments of your own. It's easy to knock down strawmen, after all.

Yeah your arguments blew over as quick as Fez's.

I suggest you look up "strawman arguments" so you can see why what you just said didn't make any damn sense as a response to what I said.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Are you going to sit there and say hes pulling the plug because he loves her. Even when he can just walk away and let her family deal with her. I say hes got a vested stake in this and it isnt love.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


So...your ignorance about the issue is my problem...how?

Because you look like an ass arguing with someone that hasn't read anything on the issue?



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[GePap]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
Are you going to sit there and say hes pulling the plug because he loves her. Even when he can just walk away and let her family deal with her. I say hes got a vested stake in this and it isnt love.

And this makes no difference, cause he is the one with the legal guardianship and the right to do so. This is all this whole case boils down to in the end, and that it has been so expensive and so long is a tragedy in and of itself.

Now, if only there was a right to die in Florida, the death would not have to be prolonged.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

regardless if it makes a difference in the eyes of the law. I simply asked why he couldnt just walk away and let her folks decide.I have never argued that the woman shouldnt be allowed to die I just dont think it should be by starvation

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
Are you going to sit there and say hes pulling the plug because he loves her. Even when he can just walk away and let her family deal with her. I say hes got a vested stake in this and it isnt love.

So what's the stake? What kind of slander are you going to engage in against Schiavo?

Why is it impossible to believe that he loves her and is fulfilling a commitment he made to her? Maybe he believes what her family wants is the wrong thing to do?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Because you look like an ass arguing with someone that hasn't read anything on the issue?

I think you're a bit confused over what makes one an ass...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
regardless if it makes a difference in the eyes of the law. I simply asked why he couldnt just walk away and let her folks decide.I have never argued that the woman shouldnt be allowed to die I just dont think it should be by starvation

Well, the thing is that is the ONLY legal way to do so in Florida. I think all the "pro-death" people in this thread have agreed that it would be so much better to simply allow her doctors to euthenize her.

As for why he does not simply walk away, well, given that financial reasons seem currently highly unlikely, maybe he trully feels this is a terrible state for the woman to be in, one no person should be in, and that it would be best for her to die. I don't know, nor really do I care.

I am sick of the law being twistes by emotions and politics in this case.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov




I think you're a bit confused over what makes one an ass...

Not at all, when you argue with an ass(me), you look like an ass.

I understand perfectly what makes one an ass.