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  • Hitler's Bombe: Fact or No?

    MSNBC

    BERLIN - Nazi Germany was not only trying to develop nuclear weapons but actually tested atomic devices near the end of World War II, the publisher of a yet-to-be-released book by a German historian says.


    The pre-publication claims by historian Rainer Karlsch drew headlines in German newspapers on Friday, but the publisher of “Hitlers Bombe” (“Hitler’s Bomb”) declined to give details or answer further questions until the book is launched on March 14.

    Other historians played down any suggestion the Nazis were anywhere close to taking on the United States in a nuclear war.

    Island tests?
    According to the publisher, Karlsch says Nazi scientists tested “nuclear bombs” in 1944 and 1945 on the Baltic island of Ruegen and in central Germany under the supervision of the SS, but they were not ready to be deployed before the war ended.

    Bernhard Fulda, a lecturer on 20th-century German history at Cambridge University, said even though Germany’s interest in harnessing nuclear energy was well-known, the idea that the Nazis almost won the nuclear arms race was implausible.

    “I would dismiss any suggestion that these were tests comparable to those carried out by the Americans as part of the Manhattan project,” he told Reuters, referring to the secret program that led to the Hiroshima bombing of August 1945.

    Karlsch has been on the staff of Berlin’s Free and Humboldt universities, publisher DVA said.

    DVA spokesman Markus Desaga said the book was based on research reports, construction plans, diaries, aerial photos, spy reports and testimonies of some of the scientists involved.

    “Under the supervision of the SS, German scientists tested nuclear bombs on Ruegen and in Thuringia in 1944 and 1945,” Desaga said. Hundreds of prisoners of war and internees died during this process, he added.

    Radiation measurements and soil analysis were also used to back up the assertions, he said. He said no further details on the book would be released until its publication.

    Karlsch studied economic history and has published books on the development of atomic weapons. He will give no interviews on the book before its publication, Desaga said.

    Operational nuclear reactor?
    DVA said the book asserts there was an operational nuclear reactor close to Berlin in 1944-45, and that Nazi physicists had drafted a patent for a plutonium bomb as early as 1941.

    “The Third Reich was on the verge of winning the race to deploy the first nuclear weapon. Was this Hitler’s final hope, the miracle weapon he talked of in 1944/1945?” DVA said in a statement on its forthcoming title.

    The book raises the question of whether the world was on the brink of a nuclear war before Germany surrendered in May 1945.

    But Fulda said Germany’s economic resources were so stretched, particularly in the final phases of the war, that it would have had “no chance” of realizing its nuclear ambitions.

    Interesting, but true?

  • #2
    why didn't they use it?

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    • #3
      Bombs are one-use devices. Once a bomb is "tested" it is not available for further use.

      Weapon-grade nuclear material takes time to make.
      I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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      • #4
        Well, if they tested it in 1944-45, when things were pretty desperate, then surley they would have just tested it on the battlefield straight off. I mean, what do they care if it dosn't work? It was worth a shot right?
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        • #5
          exactly

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          • #6
            No.
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            • #7
              No.

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              • #8
                Yes

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                • #9
                  the answer is no. it's just one of those myths made up because noone can go and check any more.

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                  • #10
                    Oh, I wasn't saying it was a fact, I was saying if they had a proto they probably would have battle tested it.

                    I think they were probably on the way but Germany never had the depth of resources that either the US or Russia could muster. I'd say they had the talent for sure but not the time or resources.

                    People ought to stop and think about the ramifications of the great "what if". Given that the bomb was developed in this war, given that you could think up some possible scenarios under which things could have progressed differently, well, Hitler could have gotten there first.

                    Chilling thought.

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                    • #11
                      The front was collapsing so fast at that time they may not have had a chance to battle test it.

                      It is well known the nazis built a small reactor and made a big effort to get heavy water.

                      Also puts an interesting spin on Hitler's refusal to evacuate the Baltic. He said at the time it was because there were rocket test sites there. People found that explanation unconvincing.
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                      • #12
                        No. If so there would be high radioactivity at the test sites, possibly visual physical evidence too depending on yield and manner of testing.
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                        • #13
                          Thats what he found - higher than normal background radiation at the suspected test sites.
                          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                          • #14
                            Bombe noun = A frozen dessert consisting of layers of ice

                            And here I was expecting Auntie Hitler's recipe, served by nephew Dolfy to his beaming generals.

                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • #15
                              I believe that the Germans were supposed to have developed a "dirty bomb", not an actual atomic weapon, but instead a convential high explosive bomb containing radioactive material. Had the long range "New York" bomber been completed it might have carried such a weapon, but by 1945 even delivering a bomb to a less distant allied target like London or Moscow became increasingly difficult. In the end Hitler ordered Germany destroyed because of its failure to execute his will, but his henchmen no longer obeyed him.
                              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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