Ageism

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by JohnT


I did. Do you not remember typing the following?

Age of majority moved down to 14, upon which full adult rights are granted, and for those 7-14 (or everyone under 14 perhaps), they have a right to petition for and choose to be emancipated and thus be granted adult rights (and responsibilities).

Yes, and my response involved additional changes to how we treat younger folks (below 13/14), so I'm not simply advocating we replace 18 with 14 and be done with it.

[Kidlicious]

Kids are inferior.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by JohnT

Specifically because youth are raised in schools with zero respect for free speech, associate with adults who have zero resepct for free speech, are raised by parents who have zero respect for free speech, and are restricted by a government that has zero respect for their free speech, is it any wonder that youth perhaps didn't get the message about how great free speech is?

Ahhh. You have data backing up those assertions or are you just making up accusations and expecting us to take them as true because you do?

Sadly the definitive book on the subject has not yet been published. It HAS been written however, and I have an advance copy from the author. Since it is just an advance copy, he has asked me not to quote from it. Plus I'm lazy and haven't finished reading it yet.

But one has only to do a comparison between youth today in this country (highly restricted) with youth of over 100 years ago in the US (much less restricted) or youth in other countries (less restricted) to notice the marked difference in behavior and responsibility.

Responsibility comes with freedom and rights, not the other way around.

[DanS]

Wasn't adulthood considered to start at 21 at that time, however? Further, we are just returning to the average marriage age of that time. This answers to both perceived responsibilities and freedoms.

[Wycoff]

The thing about youth "ageism" is that we all outgrow it. Plus, I don't know one person who doesn't think that they were an insufferable *****/***** when they were teens. I'm not going to rush out and give voting rights to 14 year olds. I didn't think that I deserved them then, didn't have much of an understanding of politics. Giving kids that young the right to vote would be defacto giving those kids' parents double votes. Few children that age have views that differ from their parents.

On a side note, the idea of an "emancipated" 7 year old is completely ridiculous.

[JohnT]

But one has only to do a comparison between youth today in this country (highly restricted) with youth of over 100 years ago in the US (much less restricted) or youth in other countries (less restricted) to notice the marked difference in behavior and responsibility.

Life 100 years ago was much less restrictive... just ask the Standard Oil Trust. However, you couldn't mail a Joyce novel through the US Post without both you and the recipient being hauled up on indecency charges, so how that measures up on your "restrictive" scale is beyond me.

Also, I remember how you, earlier in this thread, "assumed" (your word, not mine) that European kids were much less restricted than American kids. Now you are stating it as incontrovertable fact. Have you now come upon new knowledge in the past 10 hours that would make the above statement less of an assumption?

[JohnT]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


Yes, and my response involved additional changes to how we treat younger folks (below 13/14), so I'm not simply advocating we replace 18 with 14 and be done with it.

Yes, but you're just replacing one set of prejudices with another - to most people, 14 will be precisely as arbitrary as 18 appears to you. Why not just give the vote to infants and be done with it?

[Japher]

In a perfect world ppl would only vote on matters that affected them, and would only be taxed/responsible for such issues. However, in this world, we all pay for everyone regardless of age, position, or whether you use something or not.

If nothing else, the youth should consider the curfew, not being able to drink, and not being able to vote a mode of payment for free education and rather limit responsibilies to society.

Again, in politics, you generally have to play to the whole of everyone and the excpetions, sadly, get ignored.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Kids are inferior.

No, that's Kid is inferior.

[Jaguar]

Kuci is always right. Always.

[Kuciwalker]

As is Jaguar

[Japher]

Baseball cards or life insurance? I can't decide!!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Age of majority moved down to 14

Woot! I get to kick my (future... perhaps) kid out of the house at 14! Screw you, snot nosed brat!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Jaguar
Kuci is always right. Always.

Fanboyism


Edit:

Here is something while you wait

"Kids today know nothing dumlee do"

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


No, that's Kid is inferior.

You don't know what you're talking about kid. Let grown folks talk.