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Neither can immigrants, who are adults. Voting is NOT an immidiate right.
drink
Neither can adults between 18 and 20.
smoke, gamble
Terrible thing, right....
have sex
Not true, they can have sex, but NOT with adults, or the adult goes to prison.
control their schooling
In most states after 16 you can quit school a dn never go back.
own property
They can't own land, they can own other things, like their clothing, or their own car.
choose who to live with
Of course they can, leave home, shack out with someone willing to take you. pay cash to some unreputable landlord.
be out after dark, be out during the day
In most places this is NOT true, a smost places have no curfews. And once you are 16 or above truancy no longer applies.
sign contracts, own guns
Good
drive cars
You know this to be false-anyone over 16 can drive if they are licensed.
rent cars
No one under 25 can do that.
enter certain businesses, see certain movies, play certain video games, buy certain music, decide what clothes to wear, decide what to eat, decide when to eat it, decide when to sleep, decide who to spend time with, decide who to love, get access to public services, get equal pay for equal work, get tattoos, get piercings, get abortions, get married, make medical decisions for oneself, choose to take drugs, refuse to take drugs, get jobs, get fair treatment in court and many other things.
The rest of these are the same as above, not all true.For example, at 16 you can work in most states. TRhe "decide who to love" is patent nonsense.
Additionally, because of their sub-citizen status in society youth are subject to rape, beatings, abuse, murder, and have little or no legal voice to protect themselves. Youth get sent to “Gulag Schools” where they are abused, indoctrinated, violated and ultimately broken. Youth are talked down to, belittled, ignored, and patronized at every opportunity. Youth don’t even enjoy the integrity of their own minds as they often have someone else’s religion, politics, morals, and standards forced upon them.
This is all your own opinion, based on your own biases. Bad parents are bad parents, and kids have plenty of legal protections against real violations of their basic rights.
As for the last bit of this, the notion you are forced to believe something you don;t believe is NOT true, in so far as people are always free to believe what they want-thought perhaps not free to act on it, and that depends on the state.
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I am certain that if even a fraction of these restrictions were applied to any group of adults (adult women, adult blacks, adult homosexuals) you'd be marching in the streets in opposition. It is this double standard that is the most disagreeable factor in this whole debate.
In any event, Youth Cannot:
vote, run for office, drink, smoke, gamble, have sex, control their schooling, own property, choose who to live with, be out after dark, be out during the day, sign contracts, own guns, drive cars, rent cars, enter certain businesses, see certain movies, play certain video games, buy certain music, decide what clothes to wear, decide what to eat, decide when to eat it, decide when to sleep, decide who to spend time with, decide who to love, get access to public services, get equal pay for equal work, get tattoos, get piercings, get abortions, get married, make medical decisions for oneself, choose to take drugs, refuse to take drugs, get jobs, get fair treatment in court and many other things.
There are at least two problems with this line of argumentation. First of all gender, race, and orientation are, for all intents and purposes, permanent classes. If these people are deprived of these rights, they never receive them. They're never represented. Being a Minor is not a permanent class. Every minor who survives to the age of 18/21 receives these rights. They are all given the chance to be heard, and under protection of their parents in the meantime. These rights are only withheld for a certain time, afterwhich all rights are bestowed.
The second reason is the factor of maturity. These rights aren't arbitrarily withheld from Minors. They're withheld because history has proven that they need to be withheld for public afety and the interests of society as a whole. Kids are given the opportunity to grow, to learn to better appreciate who they are and what they must do before having the benefits and burdens of adulthood thrust upon them. The earlier these freedoms are given, the fewer people there will be who can prudently handle them. The result would be more problems in society and more resources wasted to fix those problems.
They may be minors who would be able to prudently and reasonably be able to take on adult responsibilty, though I guarantee that the younger you go the fewer there will be. However, whatever costs are incurred by preventing those children from being given adult responsibility are far outweighed by the costs that would be incurred by having to create a system to determine that these kids should be given adults, the price of operating that system, and the damages that will result from the inevitable number of children who are incapable of handling the adult responsibilites mistakenly bestowed upon them.
Youth get sent to “Gulag Schools” where they are abused, indoctrinated, violated and ultimately broken. Youth are talked down to, belittled, ignored, and patronized at every opportunity. Youth don’t even enjoy the integrity of their own minds as they often have someone else’s religion, politics, morals, and standards forced upon them.
Are you referring to the average High School as a Gulag School? If so, that's the most outrageous thing that I have ever read on the internet.
Maybe youth are "forced" to have someone else's views for a time during childhood; that's the inevitable result of being raised by a parent who has opinions. Children tend to adopt their parents views at least for a part of their childhood, and that's inevitable as long as there are parents raising children. Nothing prevents those children from thinking or speaking for themselves once they get older. There is no substance to this complaint.
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Of course they can, leave home, shack out with someone willing to take you. pay cash to some unreputable landlord.
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really - i know at least one dad (he actually has custody, but his loony wife keeps dragging him into court and hes close to gone bankrupt trying to keep it) who would dispute that.
GE - if a kid is 16, and she leaves the custodial parent and goes to live with the non-custodial parent, the non-custodial parent can be arrested for kidnapping, IIUC. Thats why folks in that position typically run across statelines, at great inconvenience, to live where they DO have custody. If 16 year old were treated as adults who could choose who they could live with, that would change a LOT of custody situations.
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Originally posted by Flip McWho
And yes people that generally still live with their parents generally vote the same way as their parents, .
and what, pray tell, is wrong with that?
incidentally POTM, who isnt yet 13, would be a more conscientous voter than most adult voters, I think. Not that i think most 13 yo would be.
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Originally posted by lord of the mark GE - if a kid is 16, and she leaves the custodial parent and goes to live with the non-custodial parent, the non-custodial parent can be arrested for kidnapping, IIUC. Thats why folks in that position typically run across statelines, at great inconvenience, to live where they DO have custody. If 16 year old were treated as adults who could choose who they could live with, that would change a LOT of custody situations.
Allowing a 16 year old to decide for himself in that situation would be reasonable. Most of the stuff that Ozzy's *****ing about is not.
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Allowing a 16 year old to decide for himself in that situation would be reasonable. Most of the stuff that Ozzy's *****ing about is not.
So you need a radical to point the way, get people arguing and then us mature adults can figure out a compromise. But on this question of 16 year olds deciding where to live I think custody is the crux of it, not kids deciding to live on the street. But that may just be my middle class perspective.
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Originally posted by Wycoff
I'd like to see reliable figures on the voting patterns of spouses.
Up to this past election, gender was the single biggest indicator of which way a person was going to vote. Ever here of the gender gap? Women voted Democratic by a 20 point margin. What changed was the WoT. Women vote for social polciies that will protect their families, not money.
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Up to this past election, gender was the single biggest indicator of which way a person was going to vote. Ever here of the gender gap? Women voted Democratic by a 20 point margin. What changed was the WoT. Women vote for social polciies that will protect their families, not money.
some women che. I know at least one wife of a stock broker who voted consistently Repub, did so before the WOT, and isnt too concerned with cultural conservative type issues. and shes from a historically Dem ethnic group (jewish) shes voting her pocketbook, straight.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara Up to this past election, gender was the single biggest indicator of which way a person was going to vote. Ever here of the gender gap? Women voted Democratic by a 20 point margin. What changed was the WoT. Women vote for social polciies that will protect their families, not money.
That's gender study, not spousal study, and it measures a different question than the issue that I'm curious about. Are all people married? Of course not.
I'm wondering how often both partners in a marriage vote for the same party. I bet that its a high correlation.
Besides, if you think that if a certain party gains power you will lose your job, that's an economic issue that falls under "protecting your family" Its the reason why my white, rural, socially conservative, Christian parents vote Democrat.
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
some women che.
Obviously. A twenty point gender gap indicates that about 40% of women vote for the GOP.
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Originally posted by Wycoff
That's gender study, not spousal study,
Most voters are married.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
vote, run for office, drink, smoke, gamble, have sex, control their schooling, own property, choose who to live with, be out after dark, be out during the day, sign contracts, own guns, drive cars, rent cars, enter certain businesses, see certain movies, play certain video games, buy certain music, decide what clothes to wear, decide what to eat, decide when to eat it, decide when to sleep, decide who to spend time with, decide who to love, get access to public services, get equal pay for equal work, get tattoos, get piercings, get abortions, get married, make medical decisions for oneself, choose to take drugs, refuse to take drugs, get jobs, get fair treatment in court and many other things.
Alot of those should be denied to adults. Starting with sex.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara Most voters are married.
So? What are the statistics on that? Even if that's true, that fact doesn't necessarily preclude a high correlation of spouses voting for the same party.
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but its been suggested that the gender gap is particularly high for single women.
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