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  • Ozzy still doesn't realise that so-called "ageism" doesn't exist, because it applies to every single individual.
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    • But there's nothing you can do about it while you are in an affected catragory.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • I reckon it's something like death. It happens to everybody, and there's nothing you can do.
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        • Youth is like death.

          Ozzy has a decidely wide definition of "oppression". Maybe if he just a word with less connotations of violent repression, people would listen more to his argument.

          Of course, I'm still waiting for any substantial reason to believe that 14-15 year olds are typically comparably competent as adults.
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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          • Originally posted by Last Conformist
            Ozzy has a decidely wide definition of "oppression". Maybe if he just a word with less connotations of violent repression, people would listen more to his argument.
            There is plenty of violence as consequence of youth oppression. But again, was Rosa Parks oppressed because she was asked to sit in seat A instead of seat B on the bus? Is "seperate but equal" oppression?
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            • the human brain does not finish maturing till around age 20.

              'nuff said

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              • nm

                These threads are too stupid. I won't participate in them anymore.
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                • Originally posted by Dissident
                  the human brain does not finish maturing till around age 20.

                  'nuff said

                  the human brain reaches its maximum capacity in the mid-teens and then begins to shrink. Teens are smarter and better able to handle new challenges than adults.

                  'nuff said.
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                  • Originally posted by OzzyKP


                    There is plenty of violence as consequence of youth oppression.
                    Such as?
                    But again, was Rosa Parks oppressed because she was asked to sit in seat A instead of seat B on the bus?

                    I'm inclined to think so.
                    Is "seperate but equal" oppression?

                    Not necessarily. Not particularly relevant to the issue of youth rights, tho, since youth are separate but inferior.
                    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                    It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                    The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                    • Originally posted by OzzyKP



                      the human brain reaches its maximum capacity in the mid-teens and then begins to shrink. Teens are smarter and better able to handle new challenges than adults.

                      'nuff said.
                      you are going against recent scientific evidence. Teens are only smarter because they are better practiced. Sure I was better at Calculus at age 17 than I am now, but how does that affect anything in real life?

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                      • Its all bull**** seriously. Like the bull**** racial science of 150 years ago. Scientists sex up their research to get grants and feed the anti-teen myth, and the media gets big bucks hyping up these studies, when the hard science is suspect and the conclusions are wildly biased.
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                        • "I question the consensus, therefore I'm right."

                          You're not going to convince anyone with that.
                          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                          • Yeah, I love that arguement. All the studies are biased and therefore wrong. I know this.... because.

                            'Cause science was exactly the same 150 years ago as it is today.

                            Sounds like a freaking young Earth creationist.
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                            • No, a better argument would be that we know that brain structures are affected by environment, so that we don't know if the fact than teen brains aren't finished growing is a result or a cause of teen life.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                              • The real ageism is against the elderly, people being forced out of work for being too old.

                                As JohnT so obviously pointed out before, EVERYONE was a teenager, no matter the race or sex. Every adult had the experience of being a teen- that makes the teen situation fundamentally and inherently different from race or sex and all the other comparisons-and unlike sex or race, it also ends, and rather fast.

                                Interestingly enough, my teenage years were not like a gulag, nor was I oppressed, beaten, or abused. I sure as hell was better off thasn any prison inmate.

                                What determines a good childhood or not is not "rights", but socio-economic class and having responsible parents.
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