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    Chinese Move to Eclipse U.S. Appeal in South Asia

    By JANE PERLEZ

    Published: November 18, 2004

    Correction Appended

    In pagoda-style buildings donated by the Chinese government to the university here, Long Seaxiong, 19, stays up nights to master the intricacies of Mandarin.

    The sacrifice is worth it, he says, and the choice of studying Chinese was an easy one over perfecting his faltering English. China, not America, is the future, he insists, speaking for many of his generation in Asia.


    ''For a few years ahead, it will still be the United States as No.1, but soon it will be China,'' Mr. Long, the son of a Thai businessman, confidently predicted as he showed off the stone, tiles and willow trees imported from China to decorate the courtyard at the Sirindhorn Chinese Language and Culture Center, which opened a year ago.

    The center is part of China's expanding presence across Southeast Asia and the Pacific, where Beijing is making a big push to market itself and its language, similar to the way the United States promoted its culture and values during the cold war. It is not a hard sell, particularly to young Asians eager to cement cultural bonds as China deepens its economic and political interests in the region.

    Put off from visiting the United States by the difficulty of gaining visas after 9/11, more and more Southeast Asians are traveling to China as students and tourists. Likewise, Chinese tourists, less fearful than Americans of the threat of being targets of terrorism, are becoming the dominant tourist group in the region, outnumbering Americans in places like Thailand and fast catching up to the ubiquitous Japanese.

    As the new Chinese tourists from the rapidly expanding middle class travel, they carry with them an image of a vastly different and more inviting China than even just a few years ago, richer, more confident and more influential. ''Among some countries, China fever seems to be replacing China fear,'' said Wang Gungwu, the director of the East Asian Institute at National University in Singapore.

    Over all, China's stepped up endeavors in cultural suasion remain modest compared with those of the United States, and American popular culture, from Hollywood movies to MTV, is still vastly more exportable and accessible, all agree. The United States also holds the balance of raw military power in the region.

    But the trend is clear, educators and diplomats here say: the Americans are losing influence.

    As China ramps up its cultural and language presence, Washington is ratcheting down, ceding territory that was virtually all its own when China was trapped in its hard Communist shell.

    ''The Chinese are actively expanding their public diplomacy while we are cutting back or just holding our own,'' said Paul Blackburn, a former public affairs officer of the United States Information Service who served at four American embassies in Asia in the 1980's and 90's.

    China Radio International, with light fare and upbeat news and features, now broadcasts in English 24 hours a day, while Voice of America broadcasts 19 hours and will soon be cut back to 14 hours, he said.

    CCTV-9, China's flagship English-language television channel, which features suave news anchors and cultural and entertainment shows, is broadcast worldwide. America may have CNN International, but in the realm of public policy, the United States has ''nothing comparable,'' Mr. Blackburn says.

    Across Southeast Asia, American centers run by the State Department's United States Information Service, which once offered English-language training and library services, were closed and staff was slashed as part of the worldwide cutbacks in the 1990's.

    The impact is still being felt. In Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, the three United States information centers were shut. A new program, ''American Corners,'' provides books, computers and databases for a handful of Indonesian university libraries, but it has less impact, American diplomats said.

    As Washington cuts back, China is providing concrete alternatives. The Chinese president and Communist Party chief, Hu Jintao, made clear the importance of China's cultural offensive to Beijing when he addressed the Australian Parliament last year.

    ''The Chinese culture belongs not only to the Chinese but also to the whole world,'' he grandly offered. ''We stand ready to step up cultural exchanges with the rest of the world in a joint promotion of cultural prosperity.''

    The invitation is being accepted by growing numbers of Asian students who are taking advantage of proliferating opportunities for higher education in China. No longer are status-conscious Asian families mortified if their children fail to qualify for elite American universities, parents say. A berth in a Chinese university is seen as a pragmatic solution, even if the quality of the instruction falls short of the top American schools.

    In Malaysia, students of non-Chinese background are flocking to primary schools where Chinese is taught, a reversal of a more than three-decade trend, said N.C. Siew, the editor of the country's major Chinese-language newspaper, Sin Chew Daily.

    In Indonesia, the elite long favored American universities. The founding generation of government technocrats was called the ''Berkeley mafia'' because so many were graduates from the Berkeley campus of the University of California.

    Today, the numbers tell a startling story, especially in Indonesia, an American ally where relations with China have been historically difficult.

    Last year, 2,563 Indonesian students received visas to go to China for study, according to the Chinese Embassy in Jakarta, a 51 percent increase over the previous year.

    By comparison, only 1,333 Indonesian students received visas for study in the United States in 2003, the United States consul general in Jakarta says. That was a precipitous drop from the 6,250 student visas the office said it issued in 2000 and part of a worldwide decline after 9/11.

    Although many educators in Southeast Asia welcome the new openness to China, even longtime friends of the United States say China's influence appears to be growing at America's expense.

    ''You are losing ground, that's a fact of life,'' said Prof. Tanun Anumanrajadhon, the vice president of international affairs at Chiang Mai University. ''People here are talking of China and economics. People don't care about democracy now.''

    The difference in ambition is noticeable, others say.

    ''China wants to be more influential here to replace America,'' Vanchai Sirichana, the president of Mae Fah Luang University, where the Sirindhorn Chinese culture center was opened early this year under the patronage of the Thai royal family. ''China is very aggressive in terms of contributions.''

    Mr. Vanchai said he had proposed a balancing act to the American ambassador to Thailand, Darryl Johnson.

    ''I said, what about collaboration between the American government and universities in this area, because our door is open,'' Mr. Vanchai said, describing a conversation when Mr. Johnson visited the campus this year.

    ''He just laughed; there was no answer,'' Mr. Vanchai said, indicating that the ambassador's reaction was one of sorrow.

    A diplomat on Mr. Johnson's staff confirmed the incident. He said the ambassador's hands were tied; there was no money coming from Washington.

    Flowing With the Tide


    Outgoing and articulate, Ngoh Eng Hong, 28, is as good a weather vane as any to read the shifting cultural winds in the region.

    She is one of the stars of the Economic Development Board in Singapore, a powerful government body that encourages foreign investment in the island. Its staff is handpicked from among the tiny nation's smartest brains.

    After she returned to Singapore in 1999 with two degrees in engineering from the United States, one from Stanford University, her bosses still felt she needed to top up with a degree from China. They sent her to Fudan University in Shanghai for a master's in business administration, from a program jointly run by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    ''It is what you learn about them as people that is so important,'' Ms. Ngoh said of her experiences there. ''People say the Chinese are very intelligent. When you are there, you see what that means: they are very streetwise.''

    Ms. Ngoh says she has no question where China is headed. ''The world revolved around the United States for a very long time,'' she said in an interview. ''I think people are beginning to understand that one day China can become another superpower.''

    That view is more and more common in this part of the world. It is a measure of what many see as a leveling playing field between the United States and China.

    Today, while the Singapore government still sends a handful of students on scholarships to the top universities in the United States and Britain, it has introduced a parallel program to send equal numbers of its best students to China and India.

    ''People looked down on China,'' said Jessie Yak, who recently returned from Beijing, where she studied the Chinese language. ''Now there is a 180-degree change. In the past, experience in the United States was important; now experience in China is just as good.''

    The cultural exchange flows both ways. Middle-class Chinese students whose parents cannot afford the steep fees in the United States are coming to campuses in Southeast Asia.

    At Assumption University in Bangkok, Chinese enrollment was only 50 students five years ago. This year, 800 Chinese students are studying there. Most of the Chinese students pay $2,000 to $3,000 in annual fees, said Kamol Kitsawad, the registrar.

    Singapore, considered an educational center for the region, is attracting Chinese students at all levels, from primary school through high school and beyond.

    Chew Soon-Beng, the director of the Master of Science in Managerial Economics program at Nanyang Technological University, teaches mayors and provincial deputy governors from China. On a recent day, his students pondered questions like how to transform a country's free education system into a fee-paying system. They also discussed conflict of interest issues in government, a problem dealt with in different ways in Singapore and China. This summer, 51 Chinese officials graduated with a degree.

    What's in it for Singapore?

    ''Singapore is always pragmatic,'' Professor Chew said. ''In the past, the main engine of growth was Europe, Japan and the United States. We're trying to hitch on to the new engine.''

    Discovering One Another


    Thirty years ago, as their nation's economy began to boom, Japanese tourists discovered the world, starting with Asia. Today, after more than a decade of galloping economic expansion, the Chinese are following suit.

    In the last several years, Chinese tourists have started to catch up to Japanese tourists in the region. In Thailand, a favorite country for tourists of all kinds, more than 800,000 Chinese travelers visited in 2002, compared with just over a million Japanese, according to the Pacific Asia Travel Association. Last year, Chinese tourists to Thailand outnumbered American, the association said.

    The new Chinese travelers range from low-income workers on package trips arranged by their factories to individual high rollers.

    They are taking in the transvestite shows in the seedy resort town of Pattaya, south of Bangkok. They are tasting Hindu culture in Bali. They are buying emerald-encrusted cellphones in Singapore.

    Similarly, Asian tourists are going to China, just a short plane ride away, and knitting the region together. Fashion conscious, business-driven young Asians view warp-speed Shanghai as a new version of Manhattan.

    Two billboards at the entrance to the Jakarta airport in Indonesia illustrate the juxtaposition: Manhattan in the form of the Empire State Building is featured on an advertisement for Singapore Airlines; Shanghai with its soaring skyline is the image for the express delivery service DHL. Until very recently, such equality in symbolism was unheard of.

    Strikingly, it is not only China's mega-cities that are appealing to Asian tourists.

    SilkAir, the Singapore Airlines regional carrier, runs advertisements aimed at young executives in Singapore, suggesting that they take a break in rural China.

    One panel of the ad shows a frazzled 20-something man toiling behind his computer late at night. ''Need to unwind?'' asks the caption. The other side shows the man, dressed in chinos, snoozing on the banks of the Min River, in Fujian Province, fishing rod beside him.

    ''The advantage of China is its proximity and the cultural experience,'' said Edmund Chua, regional director for the Singapore Tourism Board in Shanghai.

    Nearly 600,000 Chinese tourists had arrived in Singapore by August this year. A decade ago, the number was just 165,000 Chinese.

    Singapore sells itself to the Chinese in the way that Fort Lauderdale appeals to some Americans: not too far away, relatively safe, familiar food. But sometimes, the most popular attractions for Chinese tourists are what they cannot find at home.

    On a warm evening recently, busloads of Chinese tourists made the pilgrimage to Pattaya, the Thai beach resort.

    They stayed at a favorite hotel for Chinese tourists, the clean yet inexpensive Golden Beach Hotel ($14 a room), and piled into Tiffany, a transvestite cabaret show. The Tiffany dancers are costumed in extravagant gowns that they never remove: the show conveys a hint of the risqué but not more.

    Afterward, some of the Chinese tourists posed for snapshots with the transvestites, $1 a shot.

    Alice Wang, 32, an office manager in Guangdong, was on one of the buses. ''I didn't come just for the sex show like the other tourists,'' she said.

    Her main aim, she said, was some high-end shopping, including a crocodile handbag from a Bangkok store, a pastime once limited to monied Hong Kong businessmen. But not anymore.

    ''Its fun,'' she said. ''I've already been to the U.S. and India.''

    China's Reach


    This is the second of three articles examining China's rising power in the Asia-Pacific region as it extends new economic, diplomatic and cultural ties. Audio from Jane Perlez and more photographs are at nytimes.com/international.


    Correction: November 19, 2004, Friday

    A front-page headline yesterday about China's growing cultural influence among its neighbors misidentified the region where that influence has been felt most deeply. It is Southeast Asia, not South Asia.
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    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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    China criticizes new joint security statement in which United States and Japan declare peaceful Taiwan Strait as among their 'common strategic objectives'; accuses two countries of meddling in its internal affairs; China considers Taiwan a breakaway province and is acutely sensitive to what it regards as outside interference; by contrast, Taiwan's foreign minister cautiously welcomes statement; American and Taiwanese officials say mentioning Taiwan by name is shift for Japan, which has in past been leery of publicly inserting itself into Taiwan issue (M)


    China Accuses U.S. and Japan of Interfering on Taiwan
    By JIM YARDLEY and KEITH BRADSHER

    Published: February 21, 2005


    BEIJING, Feb. 20 - China accused Japan and the United States on Sunday of meddling in its internal affairs, and criticized a new joint security statement in which the two countries declared a peaceful Taiwan Strait as among their "common strategic objectives."

    The mention of Taiwan in the statement issued Saturday by senior American and Japanese officials drew a firm response from China, which considers Taiwan a breakaway province and is acutely sensitive to what it regards as outside interference. By contrast, Taiwan's foreign minister cautiously welcomed the statement.

    In Beijing, the official New China News Agency described the statement as "unprecedented" and quoted China's Foreign Ministry as saying that the country "resolutely opposes the United States and Japan in issuing any bilateral document concerning China's Taiwan, which meddles in the internal affairs of China, and hurts China's sovereignty."

    The joint statement was issued at a diplomatically fragile time in East Asia. Japan and the United States want China to persuade North Korea to return to talks over its nuclear weapons program. North Korea declared Saturday that it would not take part in any new rounds of talks, and over the weekend, China sent a delegation to the capital, Pyongyang.

    The American-Japanese statement dealt foremost with North Korea but included a short, cautious mention of Taiwan. It noted that both countries called for "encouraging the peaceful resolution of issues concerning the Taiwan Strait" as part of a list of "common strategic objectives."

    But American and Taiwanese officials, and the New China News Agency, said that mentioning Taiwan by name was a shift for Japan, which has in the past been leery of publicly inserting itself into the Taiwan issue. Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at People's University in Beijing, said the change signaled a greater assertiveness by Japan and reflected the deteriorating relationship between China and Japan. He said the Japanese government and people appeared to regard China increasingly as a hostile force.

    "It's really an important development," Mr. Shi said. "Before, the Japanese government never publicly said the Taiwan issue was an issue within its security concerns."

    Mr. Shi also noted that China might now be less motivated to push North Korea aggressively to resume negotiations over its nuclear program. "How can the U.S. expect China to make much more of a contribution to help with North Korea?" he asked. "China is very angry about this development in the Taiwan issue."

    Meanwhile, Chen Tan-sun, Taiwan's foreign minister, said in a telephone interview from his home on Sunday morning that the United States-Japan statement would provide Taiwan with greater confidence in its security. But he took pains not to present the declaration as a challenge to mainland China. "We want to emphasize the importance of a peaceful settlement here," Mr. Chen said.

    Taiwan has been trying to improve cross-strait relations in the two months since advocates of greater Taiwanese political independence from the mainland suffered an unexpected setback in legislative elections.

    Mr. Chen said he believed that Japanese officials shared Taiwan's concerns about China's double-digit annual increases in military spending, especially after the recent detection of a Chinese submarine in waters claimed by Japan. But he added that the government of Taiwan had not been contacted directly by Tokyo in connection with the Saturday agreement.

    The shift in the Japanese stance on Saturday was fairly subtle. The Japanese government has previously called unilaterally for peace in the Taiwan Strait, and has offered logistical but not military support to the United States in case of a conflict between Taiwan and mainland China. But Japan has been much more cautious about including any reference to Taiwan in bilateral security statements with the United States. Japanese officials were reluctant to call attention to the language in the statement on Saturday. Nonetheless, it represented a departure from the most recent previous military cooperation statement between the United States and Japan in 1997, which simply called for the two countries to work together in the "area surrounding Japan."

    Lo Fu-chen, who was Taiwan's chief representative to Japan from 2001 until last July, said the new policy statement represented a very important gain for Taiwan. "It's a giant step for Japan to step in and even mention the Taiwan Strait as a security concern from their viewpoint," said Mr. Lo, who is now chairman of the Association of East Asian Relations in Taiwan.

    The Saturday pact does not represent the first time that the United States and Japan have agreed to cooperate on issues regarding Taiwan. A 1960 security pact between the United States and Japan called for the two countries to cooperate on "Far East" regional security.

    Japan publicly interpreted the agreement at the time as covering waters and lands north of the Philippines, including Taiwan, said Philip Yang, the director of the Taiwan Security Research Center at National Taiwan University.

    But after Japan and the United States switched their diplomatic recognition to Beijing in 1972 and 1979, respectively, subsequent joint security statements tended to omit even vague references to Taiwan.
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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    • #3
      Ahhhrrg!!! The Yellow Peril!!!!!

      Let all god fearing white people tremble!!!

      Who cares? I like Chinese people.
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #4
        I don't think so either, actually. But this kind of rhetoric was Kim's claimed reason for seeking nulcear protection in North Korea. Bush is foolish for doing so, and I believe that China is also foolish for doing so. It doesn't help the Taiwanese problem at all.

        The first article demonstrates that China is not an aggressive and imposing regime in South East Asia. It wants to be a major player, but not all its methods are hostile or evil. China is improving relations with its neighbors the way the US should be with it allies and other countries.
        Last edited by DaShi; February 21, 2005, 05:45.
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
        "Capitalism ho!"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Agathon
          Ahhhrrg!!! The Yellow Peril!!!!!

          Let all god fearing white people tremble!!!

          Who cares? I like Chinese people.
          I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          They only come up to you knees,
          Yet they're always friendly and they're ready to to please.

          I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          There's nine hundred million of them in the world today,
          You'd better learn to like them, that's what I say.

          I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          They come from a long way overseas,
          But they're cute, and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please.

          I like chinese food,
          The waiters never are rude,
          Think the many things they've done to impress,
          There's maoism, taoism, eging and chess.

          I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          I like their tiny little trees,
          Their zen, their ping-pong, their ying and yang-eze.

          I like chinese thought,
          The wisdom that Confusious taught,
          If Darwin is anything to shout about,
          The chinese will survive us all without any doubt.

          So, I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          They only come up to you knees,
          Yet they're wise, and they're witty, and they're ready to please

          Wo ai Zhong-guo ren [Wo, I chumba run]
          Wo ai Zhong-guo ren
          Wo ai Zhong-guo ren
          Ni Hao Ma? Ni Hao Ma? Ni Hao Ma? Zai zhen [Ne hamma? ... Chi Chen]

          I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          They're food is guaranteed to please,
          A fourteen, a seven, a nine and li-chese

          I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          I like their tiny little trees,
          Their zen, their ping-pong, their yin and yang-eze

          I like chinese,
          I like chinese,
          (fade out....)
          Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
          Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
          Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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          • #6
            Yell yeah, I hate breathing in their country.

            Chinese environmental policies
            Erosion
            Having to breathe dust that's blown in from China across the yellow sea
            Stop Quoting Ben

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            • #7
              Yell yeah,
              YEAH!

              I hate breathing in their country.
              I'll remember that next time the smell of Detroit wafts up into Ontario.

              Having to breathe dust that's blown in from China across the yellow sea
              The sea wouldn't be yellow if people who lived in Korea stopped piddling in it.
              Only feebs vote.

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              • #8
                What about the Yellow River?
                “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                "Capitalism ho!"

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                • #9
                  What about the Yellow River?


                  They are disgusting people. Drop the bomb! Destroy them all!!
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DaShi
                    What about the Yellow River?
                    here ya go:

                    So long, boy, you can take my place
                    I got my papers, I got my pay
                    So pack my bags and I'll be on my way . . . to Yellow River

                    Put my gun down, the war is won
                    Fill my glass high, the time has come
                    I'm goin' back to the place that I love . . . Yellow River

                    Yellow River, Yellow River . . . is in my mind and in my eyes
                    Yellow River, Yellow River . . . is in my blood, it's the place that I love

                    Got no time for explanations, got no time to lose
                    Tomorrow night you'll find me sleepin' underneath the moon
                    And Yellow River

                    Cannon fire lingers in my mind
                    I'm so glad I'm still alive
                    And I've been gone for such a long time . . . from Yellow River

                    I remember the nights were cool
                    I can still see the water pool
                    And I remember the girl that I knew . . . from Yellow River

                    Yellow River, Yellow River . . . is in my mind and in my eyes
                    Yellow River, Yellow River . . . is in my blood, it's the place that I love

                    Got no time for explanations, got no time to lose
                    Tomorrow night you'll find me sleepin' underneath the moon
                    And Yellow River
                    Yellow River, Yellow River . . . is in my mind and in my eyes
                    Yellow River, Yellow River . . . is in my blood, it's the place that I love
                    Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                    Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Agathon


                      Who cares? I like Chinese people.
                      Me too, especially steamed with black bean sauce and chillis, washed down with a glass of rice wine.
                      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                      • #12
                        China is definitely a competing power with regards to the US. Whether they are hostile or not remains to be seen.
                        KH FOR OWNER!
                        ASHER FOR CEO!!
                        GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                        • #13
                          China is definitely a competing power with regards to the US. Whether they are hostile or not remains to be seen.
                          Says William Shatner from Bukkake Bay.
                          Only feebs vote.

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                          • #14
                            Ukkake Bay. It's pig latin...
                            KH FOR OWNER!
                            ASHER FOR CEO!!
                            GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                              It's pig latin...
                              The romance of pork crackling.
                              Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                              ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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