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  • CIA Predicts Fall of America

    Okay, not so much of a fall as a descent.


    2020 Vision
    A CIA report predicts that American global dominance could end in 15 years.
    By Fred Kaplan
    Posted Wednesday, Jan. 26, 2005, at 2:48 PM PT

    Who will be the first politician brave enough to declare publicly that the United States is a declining power and that America's leaders must urgently discuss what to do about it? This prognosis of decline comes not (or not only) from leftist scribes rooting for imperialism's downfall, but from the National Intelligence Council—the "center of strategic thinking" inside the U.S. intelligence community.

    The NIC's conclusions are starkly presented in a new 119-page document, "Mapping the Global Future: Report of the National Intelligence Council's 2020 Project." It is unclassified and available on the CIA's Web site. The report has received modest press attention the past couple weeks, mainly for its prediction that, in the year 2020, "political Islam" will still be "a potent force." Only a few stories or columns have taken note of its central conclusion:

    The likely emergence of China and India ... as new major global players—similar to the advent of a united Germany in the 19th century and a powerful United States in the early 20th century—will transform the geopolitical landscape with impacts potentially as dramatic as those in the previous two centuries.

    In this new world, a mere 15 years away, the United States will remain "an important shaper of the international order"—probably the single most powerful country—but its "relative power position" will have "eroded." The new "arriviste powers"—not only China and India, but also Brazil, Indonesia, and perhaps others—will accelerate this erosion by pursuing "strategies designed to exclude or isolate the United States" in order to "force or cajole" us into playing by their rules.

    America's current foreign policy is encouraging this trend, the NIC concluded. "U.S. preoccupation with the war on terrorism is largely irrelevant to the security concerns of most Asians," the report states. The authors don't dismiss the importance of the terror war—far from it. But they do write that a "key question" for the future of America's power and influence is whether U.S. policy-makers "can offer Asian states an appealing vision of regional security and order that will rival and perhaps exceed that offered by China." If not, "U.S. disengagement from what matters to U.S. Asian allies would increase the likelihood that they will climb on Beijing's bandwagon and allow China to create its own regional security that excludes the United States."

    To the extent that these new powers seek others to emulate, they may look to the European Union, not the United States, as "a model of global and regional governance."

    This shift to a multipolar world "will not be painless," the report goes on, "and will hit the middle classes of the developed world in particular" with further outsourcing of jobs and outflow of capital investment. In short, the NIC's forecast involves not merely a recalibration in the balance of world power, but also—as these things do—a loss of wealth, income, and, in every sense of the word, security.

    The trends should already be apparent to anyone who reads a newspaper. Not a day goes by without another story about how we're mortgaging our future to the central banks of China and Japan. The U.S. budget deficit, approaching a half-trillion dollars, is financed by their purchase of Treasury notes. The U.S. trade deficit—much of it amassed by the purchase of Chinese-made goods—now exceeds $3 trillion. Meanwhile, China is displacing the United States all across Asia—in trade, investment, education, culture, and tourism. It's also cutting into the trade markets of Latin America. (China is now Chile's No. 1 export market and Brazil's No. 2 trade partner.) Asian engineering students who might once have gone to MIT or Cal Tech are now going to universities in Beijing.

    Meanwhile, as the European Union becomes a coherent entity, the dollar's value against the euro has fallen by one-third in the past two years (one-eighth just since September). As the dollar's rate of return declines, currency investors—including those who have been financing our deficit—begin to diversify their holdings. In China, Japan, Russia, and the Middle East, central bankers have been unloading dollars in favor of euros. The Bush policies that have deepened our debt have endangered the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency.

    What is the Bush administration doing to alter course or at least cushion the blow? It's hard to say. During Condoleezza Rice's confirmation hearings last week, Sen. Paul Sarbanes, D–Md., raised some questions about the nexus between international economics and political power. Rice referred him to the secretary of the treasury.

    The NIC issued the report a few weeks before Bush’s inaugural address, but it serves to dump still more cold water on the lofty fantasy of America delivering freedom to oppressed people everywhere. In Asia, the report states, "present and future leaders are agnostic on the issue of democracy and are more interested in developing what they perceive to be the most effective model of governance." If the president really wanted to spread freedom and democracy around the planet, he would (among other things) need to present America as that "model of governance"—to show the world, by its example, that free democracies are successful and worth emulating. Yet the NIC report paints a world where fewer and fewer people look to America as a model of anything. We can't sell freedom if we can't sell ourselves.

    Fred Kaplan writes the "War Stories" column for Slate. He can be reached at war_stories@hotmail.com.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

  • #2
    Of course, since the CIA was wrong about Iraq, etc, then this is also wrong without question.

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    • #3
      If the CIA predicts it, then the US will be around for decades
      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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      • #4
        The solution to rising power in Asia is closer times and free trade among all the western countries plus Russia. A free trade zone covering Europe, Russia, the Americas, Australia & New Zealand should put some economic growth on the table.

        If NAfta or even FTZotA ever got a political union like the EU has then that would also weight things back into our favor. US, Canada, and Mexico if in an EU type union would be the lead economic power.
        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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        • #5
          OMG COMMIE AMERICA WILL LIVE FOREVER ITS PROTECTED BY GOD!!!11
          Even God couldn't bring us down now. The CIA has said its say; from this point we will be unstoppable.
          meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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          • #6
            I hope that US will be around for decades. I disagree, of course, with some aspects of its politics, but in dark times Europe and USA know that they can trust each other.
            Trying to rehabilitateh and contribuing again to the civ-community

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              US, Canada, and Mexico if in an EU type union would be the lead economic power.
              I strongly doubt the US would ever agree to sharing their power (losing sovereignity) to an extent that ever looks like what the average EU country is doing. For a North-American style EU, you'd need to have no federal countries (Canada, Us and Mexico) but plenty of independent States. As it currently is, the US will never accept a political integration such as the EU, and your partners will feel less than enthusiastic being your vassals.

              And in this day and age, free-trade zones don't change much, because tolls are already very low. Should we abolish tolls altogether between the EU and NAFTA, there would be some increased commerce, but nothing comparable to what a free-market area brought in post-WW2 Europe.

              For the west to unite against the Asian threat, the West has to feel a sense of unity. 9/11 could have been a strong symbol of such unity, but it has been completely wasted by Bush's war. I don't think there will be any political nor popular will to have a sense of unity until the Asians become a serious threat. Once they do, however, we'll feel to be the same very quickly.
              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
              "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
              "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Oerdin
                If NAfta or even FTZotA ever got a political union like the EU has then that would also weight things back into our favor. US, Canada, and Mexico if in an EU type union would be the lead economic power.
                That seems unlikely, one of the main reasons that the EU works is that no one nation can dominate it whereas in NAFTA or event FTZotA the US would easily be far more powerful than anyone else.

                Add to this most american's clinging to quaint 20th century ideas of the 'sovereignty' of nations and I think such a pooling of sovereignty is unlikely in the America's

                Europe has been on the forefront of developments in governmental systems for half a millenium and frankly I don't see our lead being overtaken any time soon.
                19th Century Liberal, 21st Century European

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                • #9
                  It's tempting to jump on the CIA says it so it must be false, but, really, isn't this what most sensible analysts been saying for quite a while, if painted in rather bleak colours?
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                  It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                  The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                  • #10
                    Basically it's saying the end of the hyper power is near so Chirac cold have saved all of his agast and whining.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #11
                      Nothing new in tihis.

                      When 5.7 Bill people are aiming at the same productivity and development level as US, they of course will outcompete 300 mill americans.

                      Americans may think they have an advantage in skills level, but they don't (the same goes for the europeans). The current low level countries are just skipping through those hard earned levels - It's just like that SP in SMACX called Planetary datalinks - it just are more effective on planet Earth.

                      US has only one advantage, and that is the implementation of the knowlededge into a powerfull army. Only problem is what to do when others get the same capabilty.

                      I can only find one solution to this problem, and that is to turn as many countries into democracies as possible - as far as I know, no democratic countries has ever gone into a war with another democratic country.
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • #12
                        US & Mexico in 1846? Of course Mexico was a weak democracy run by a guy who always got reelected but still.
                        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oerdin
                          Basically it's saying the end of the hyper power is near so Chirac cold have saved all of his agast and whining.
                          He wanted to stay in history books as the harbinger of the multipolar world. You really are heartless: you could have been kind enough with this old guy and hasten your downfall by a few years. He'll be terribly frustrated now
                          "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                          "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


                            No, I'm pretty sure Apolytoners are joking. Do you know what that is?
                            You didn't hear "The CIA says it so it must be false" before you got to 'Poly? Freak.


                            As regards the "democratic peace", the UK and Finland were technically at war during WWII, altho little or no actual fighting took place.

                            I submit that the chief reason democracies have rarely fought one another this far is that they've generally been on the same side. That will sooner or later change if democracy continues to spread.

                            (Yeah, and if you accept ancient Greek democracy as democracy, there were a number of wars between them, most famously the Athenian-Syracusan confrontation during the Peloponnesian War.)
                            Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                            It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                            The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Spiffor
                              If the CIA predicts it, then the US will be around for decades
                              Beaten to the punch.
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