Japanese Sex Trade

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse

Aussies and Kiwis inferior-grade whities and you talk funny. So you get paid less.

nor have I ever heard a Japanese person say they hate Koreans or Chinese people...

Wow, I used to get kids telling me they wanted to kill Japanese babies on a daily basis.

Is there much of that in the most remote rural parts of SK?

Korea's small enough that its hard to get that remote. Although when I was visiting the gf's grandmom's farm in the ass-end of nowhere I got some strange looks.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
It's true. A lot of people are going about this unscrupulously, making counterfeits and even "fake" items. Not that long ago they found a factory making soy source by dissolving human hair in chemicals ::vomit::

Another case from 2003 (IIRC). The owner of an eatery poisoned the food of a neighbouring store, after losing out in the competition, killing a whole bunch of innocent bystanders.

And

[DaShi]

In contrast, there are many generous Chinese, at least to me. My neighbor often invites me over for meals. Even when I have lunch with my students, I have to fight with them to prevent them from paying for me. In fact, arguing over wanting to pay is often consideres polite here.

But there is strong stereotype of greedy Chinese. When I teach my class on stereotypes, I ask my students what are some stereotypes of Chinese people. After going through all the "smart", "hardworking", "good-lookng" responses , I ask if there are any negative stereotypes. Usually the room is quiet at this point. So I pull a coin out of my pocket and squeeze it between two fingers. Then I explain what pennypinching means, and they begin to nod in agreement.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Timexwatch

She claims that most Chinese people are stingy and will do anything to make money. I guess some stereotypes cross national boundries despite cultural roots.

Most Chinese people ... stingy?? C'mon, were did she get a crazy idea like that?

One of my Chinese friends was complaining to me about his aunts and uncles. My friend said their decision whether or not to visit their poor, aging parents was based on the savings they could realize by eating lunch and dinner at the folk's table. However politeness requires they must bring a gift, so they would show up with something like a couple of eggs. One of the uncles in question was a well-off doctor.

Chinese have a particular penchant for being willing to go far beyond what westerners would consider "petty" to pinch a penny, or even better ... cheat someone out of a penny (which is actually considered admirable behavior by some). For instance, consider the effort-to-reward ratio of making fake eggs.

Sure, poor people everywhere do what they can, but Chinese show a special zeal for it that seems unique to their culture, along with, unfortunately, complete disregard for the consequences - no matter how serious - to strangers. Example: deliberately injecting fruit with contaminated water to pump up the weight (and selling price).

UR's example of the snackfood poisoner was a good one. Recalling details from memory, in 2003 a Nanjing breakfast snack street vendor was envious of the neighboring breakfast snack street vendor's success. Now, in most places, a guy in this position would consider changing his product, his location, his advertising or some such. Not in China. Here, the answer might be: score some industrial-grade rat poison so strong it's even illegal in China and lace the competition's food with it. Yeah, great way to boost sales and put a couple of extra renminbi in your pocket.

About forty people died, many on the spot, more than half children. Witnesses claimed some fell to the ground in convulsions after only a bite or two. This was as extreme (but not wildly uncommon) example of everyday, commonplace behavior.

A more recent noteworthy example was the fake baby food scandal that was publicized last year. In a rural region, a company manufactured fake baby food, resulting in - surprise! - a spate of undersized, malnourished, mentally retarded children. Perhaps the scariest part of the story was that they weren't the only company doing it, just the most successful.

But, hey, the company's profits were up. Who cares about some brain-damaged babies when there is money to be made!

As DaShi pointed out, individual Chinese can be very, very generous ... to people they know. If you are a stranger, forget it. You don't even exist.

[Bosh]

Wow, doesn't sound like Korea at all. Real kind of potlatch kind of society here. You get the same kind of fighting over who pays the bill but sometimes it goes so far as having people grab the bill and then sprint for the cashier so they can pay for the bill before anyone else

You get people being incredibly generous on a regular basis, and all those old farmer types in the country. Well at least in the case of my fiance's grandmother they don't get given eggs by their relatives they get given the biggest screen TV that I've ever seen in a private resisdence (and cash).

Same goes with Korean wedding, there's always a table set up for people to give cash to the groom and it would be unheard of for friends or family not to stuff quite a bit into the envelopes.

I guess most of the difference is made up by people having smaller living spaces, cheaper/smaller cars and living cheap when no guests are around.

I enjoy it since I'm a naturally generous person and it's nice to live in a country where people don't try to take advantage of that.

[DaShi]

In China, wedding gifts are placed under a no gain philosophy. At least, that is how it is explained to me. You give money under the assumption that you will get the same amount back during your wedding. This was explained when I tried to give money to a Chinese friend during her wedding last year. She said that as a foreigner, I shouldn't because she wouldn't have the opportunity to repay under this system. I insisted anyway as I would feel insulted if she refused my gift. Another Chinese friend who was also married last year eagerly accepted the money, but I've always believed her to be a living stereotype. :bleh:

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by mindseye


Example: deliberately injecting fruit with contaminated water to pump up the weight (and selling price).

Happens in North Africa too, with melons.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by mindseye
As DaShi pointed out, individual Chinese can be very, very generous ... to people they know. If you are a stranger, forget it. You don't even exist.

I think that's typical of city folk, with Shanghai particularly bad. I heard that rural people are better.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DaShi
In China, wedding gifts are placed under a no gain philosophy. At least, that is how it is explained to me. You give money under the assumption that you will get the same amount back during your wedding.

Generally, guests don't give gifts to the newlywed, they give money to help offset the cost of the wedding banquet.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I think that's typical of city folk, with Shanghai particularly bad. I heard that rural people are better.

I've heard that rural people will would probably kill and rob me if I went there alone.

Generally, guests don't give gifts to the newlywed, they give money to help offset the cost of the wedding banquet.

That's not at all how anyone here has explained it. I've even had one person tell me that weddings are a good way to make money. She had three separate weddings with her current husband.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

I think that's typical of city folk, with Shanghai particularly bad. I heard that rural people are better.

True, it's worse in cities, but I think that's only because urban residents have more and greater possibilities of cheating people.

In cities, developers working with corrupt city officials routinely cheat entire neighborhoods out of their homes (as is happening in every city across China).

On the other hand, rural people, with their limited means, have to confine themselves to making fake eggs, buying and selling children, and other charming cottage industries. For the same reason they are more likely to be on the receiving end of abuse. In other words, it's not for lack of desire, more from lack of means.

Sadly, I have heard far too many tales of rural folks theiving and cheating and horribly mistreating others to think they are much different than city folks.

[mindseye]

This thread is making me depressed.

Let's talk some more about sex in Japan.

DaShi, when are you going to come to Shanghai and have a smoke with me? Maybe UR could come on up, and we can have a Sino Poly Meet. I'll supply the bong.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by mindseye


Let's talk some more about sex in Japan.

I have an excellent book called 'Pink Samurai' . I'm sure you'd love to read it.

http://www.karatethejapaneseway.com/books_on_japan/pink_samurai.html

Also some little saki beakers with the usual erotic images of (female, alas) courtesans biting things and breast falling out of yukatas.

And there's an old edition of 'In Touch' knocking about somewhere with an article on and illustrations by Sadao Hasegawa.

And apparently Kristen Bjorn has released his first porn film with a Japanese actor. Can't remember his name though....

[mindseye]

Originally posted by molly bloom

I have an excellent book called 'Pink Samurai' . I'm sure you'd love to read it.

http://www.karatethejapaneseway.com/...k_samurai.html

Wow, that does sound interesting, maybe I'll have to add it to my next Amazon care package! Have you read "Male Colors - The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan" (Gary Leupp, 1995)?

And apparently Kristen Bjorn has released his first porn film with a Japanese actor. Can't remember his name though....

Japan has the market cornered on weapons-grade East Asian gay porn. However, competition is always a good thing.

By the way, does anyone remember that Japanese ball player () who joined the US team, only to have word get out that he had appeared in a gay Japanese porn film?

Well, I stumbled across the film (quite by accident, of course, whilst conducting academic research, ahem). First, he really is a very attractive guy, especially without his baseball uniform. Second, if he really is hetero as claimed, he deserves some sort of award for an incredibly convincing and enthusiastic performance encompassing both pitching and catching.

Molly, when are you coming to Shanghai?

[Drake Tungsten]

I'd guess that a baseball player would have some prior experience with pitching and catching...