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Originally posted by Jon Miller
there are no democrats who are prochoice
there are no democrats who are prochoice
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It's hard to see from the polls on abortion how much of a benefit it would be for the Democrats to switch to a pro-life stance.
They would lose 6% maybe, but I don't know if that's certain. Some of those 6% might just be saying that they wouldn't vote for Democrats if they were pro-life. They would get some of the 13% who say they vote pro-life no matter what, but I haven't found a poll that would suggest how many of that 13% they would get.The net result is that 13% of all likely voters say they are pro-life and will only vote for a candidate who shares their views on abortion. Naturally, most of these (90%) are voting for George Bush. By contrast, only 6% of the electorate will vote strictly pro-choice, and virtually all of these people are voting for Kerry. The remaining voters are divided between those who say abortion will be one of many important issues they consider (48% of the voting public), and those who say abortion is not a major factor for them (32%).
Abortion Issue Guides One in Five Voters
edit: of the 48% that say abortion is an important issue, but who say they consider other issues I believe the Democrats could pick up some votes, because in general pro-lifers care much more about abortion.Last edited by Kidlicious; February 12, 2005, 19:39.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Because you want everyone to compromise your way?Originally posted by DinoDoc
McGovern would be the more apt comparison for this instance I think.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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That's because one side knows they have the law on their side, so they can afford to vote other issues. Stop defending the right to choice, and it will become a wedge issue for pro-choice people.Originally posted by Kidicious
edit: of the 48% that say abortion is an important issue, but who say they consider other issues I believe the Democrats could pick up some votes, because in general pro-lifers care much more about abortion.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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No I'd just like competent people to lead the Democrats. But they maybe too much since we are talking about Democrats. Expect to see "I have a scream" remixes soon.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because you want everyone to compromise your way?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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We'll have to see how it turns out. Right now there's only a small movement of pro-life Democrats. I don't think they've won any elections.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That's because one side knows they have the law on their side, so they can afford to vote other issues. Stop defending the right to choice, and it will become a wedge issue for pro-choice people.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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How much have the Democrats been winning recently?Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm not against compromise per se, but compromising all the time it stupid. You said stands don't work. Never fight a battle you can't win, but when you can win you shouldn't compromise.Comment
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They're losing either way, so they might as well take a stand. Maybe the Republican Party will split or something. What we really need is a third party.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
How much have the Democrats been winning recently?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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What we really need is a second party.Originally posted by Kidicious
What we really need is a third party.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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True dat comrade.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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he lost the election to the other guy.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yep, Goldwater's stand sure failed . . . oh wait.
what do you mean? you have your pick of for or against gay marriage, and for or against abortion.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
What we really need is a second party.Comment
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Bush and DeLay don't believe in power-sharing. They're bullies, so appeasement doesn't work. Giving into them does nothing besides convincing the Republican leadership to become even more extremist. It also turns you into ideologically vacuous "flip-floppers" in the mind of the electorate. That's why McAulliffe and Daschle have presided over a series of defeats. Something Dean and Reid hopefully will change."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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They lose less if they compromise. There no point to going down fighting; it doesn't do any good at all.Originally posted by Kidicious
They're losing either way, so they might as well take a stand. Maybe the Republican Party will split or something. What we really need is a third party.Comment
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Second place is just the first loser in politics.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
They lose less if they compromise. There no point to going down fighting; it doesn't do any good at all.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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They've been compromising (i.e. giving the reactionary Republicans everything they want) for the past four years. It's time for something different.
Gingrich didn't act like a ***** despite being in the minority. There might be something to that."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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