Kill people for fun

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sprayber
It's become apparent that many Arabs enjoy being pissed off over one thing or another. Except at their own goverments.

Shows what you know. They're furious at their own governments. A whole culture of drama people.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
try harder...

A, I recall the battlefield report filed by Caesar after an early engagement in Gaul. It went something like this:

Enemy KIA: 330,000

Friendly KIA: 3.

I am sure only the enemies of Rome would be dismayed by those numbers.

Are you an enemy of Rome?

[DinoDoc]

Well he is Germanic.

[Atahualpa]

Ned, you are getting nowhere and I won't follow.

If you just want to underestimate me your prejudices, then you can stop right now.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well he is Germanic.

And if you have english ancestors, you're as well

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Something being "human nature" doesn't mean that every human has to behave that way. One of the traits that marks humanity is our ability to overcome base instinct. That's part of sentience.

It being human nature would mean that it is the normal, assumed, behaviour for a human and that invariably, everyone is inclined to behave that way. That's not true.

[Odin]

Originally posted by General Ludd


It being human nature would mean that it is the normal, assumed, behaviour for a human and that invariably, everyone is inclined to behave that way. That's not true.

You have a very strange definition of human nature. Human nature doesn't allways means we will do it, it also means we have a predisposition for it, and that predisposition for violence, especially in males, is in every human group. I suggest you read the books The Origins of Virtue and Nature via Nurture by Matt Ridley.

I get annoyed when the nurture partisans start spouting BS, most of it for ideological reasons rather than scientific ones. The nature partisans are almost as annoying, but thier problem is not ideological, it is mostly not realizing that Nature and Nurture are not opposed to each other, they cooperate.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned


I take it that you actually support coddling men who slap women around for five years for not wearing a veil. We should show these men "respect."

US men don't beat women? You really are something Ned.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kidicious


US men don't beat women? You really are something Ned.

Well, he supports a traitor, but thats another thread.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Odin



You have a very strange definition of human nature. Human nature doesn't allways means we will do it, it also means we have a predisposition for it

That's what I just said. That it is the assumed, default, behaviour and that every human being would naturally be inclined to that behaviour - ie. a predisposition.

and that predisposition for violence, especially in males, is in every human group

Which rings us back to the original comment that started this...

This is really part of our macho culture.

But it is not in every human group, thankfully, because it is not a part of human nature. As I said before, it's a result of culture, or on the personal level, a state of mind. Characteristicly that of macho/masculine sort, as you point out. If it was human nature, it would not be found "especially in males" because it would be a behaviour that is taken for granted to be found in everyone at some level.

But because it is a result of culture, it can be found "especially in males", or in this case, amongst those who ascribe to the popular macho culture that encourages violence, competition, and dominance. (which is not exclusive to males, or inclusive of all males, even though it has traditionally been masculine notion)

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Ned


I take it that you actually support coddling men who slap women around for five years for not wearing a veil. We should show these men "respect."

What have you done about Saudi Arabia?

I know a Swedish woman who was beaten by a Mullah on the street for not wearing a veil when she visited her father who worked as a doctor in SA.

[Alexander's Horse]

what do you expect the commander of the 1st Marine Division to say anyway?

This is why special forces and marine officers almost never rise above certain levels in their armed forces. They are perfect for the fighting role but higher command requires sensibilities they just don't have.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Spiffor
The diplomat:
You actually support your military enjoying killing people? It's one thing to argue that it is natural. It's another thing to argue that it's good

Reputation. Reputation of your hardware and intent to use it. It all comes down to maintining the image.

Its the friggiMarines. They want to be feared and considered badass killers. Life takers and widow makers.

[Kidlicious]

We do not want that type of image. Speak for yourself.

[Kuciwalker]

Yes, but we want the Marines to have that image