Kill people for fun

[DinoDoc]

Obvious, not weak.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Obvious, not weak.

Obvious as in "obviously wrong," but your bait is entirely too weak.

[Kidlicious]

This is really part of our macho culture. We can't blame this individual anymore than we blame ourselves.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kidicious
This is really part of our macho culture. We can't blame this individual anymore than we blame ourselves.

That is a bunch of warm-and-fuzzy blank slate crap. Violence against people who are not a member of a person's group (clan, tribe, nation, ethnicity, religion, sports team, etc) is part of human nature, a trait we share with chimps.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Dissident
let's get real here. I was on a ship with marines, I see how they act. They want nothing more than to get some "action" And by action I'm not talking about sex with hot chicks.

This general is just saying what many marines want.

I agree with Diss, I have alot of Marine friends and they are good, honorable guys in general. They know the difference between what goes on in the battlefield and what goes on off of it.

It kinda goes along with the environment they are trained in, it's a good thing to have a force like that when you need them. You don't want them to go in and be hesitant or timid.

What the General said probably doesn't sit well with the civilian population and he should have been more careful, but I guarantee it is absolutley nothing compared to what they are actually saying on base or in the field.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


You haven't met any Australian soldiers then.

I was chatting with a naval officer recently, a lt. commander on a frigate, about shore visits. He said his men had 2 priorities on shore leave - sex and brawling - and then he added, thank God they still have some mongrel in them, that they like to fight, you need troops like that. I had to agree.

This general was foolish to speak publicly like that but most fighting troops are in it to kill and blow things up. Most successful generals are blood thirsty, cold blooded characters.

navy is different from actual combat troops. This will be the case no matter what country. Navy faces different types dangers, they don't act like infantry etc. I was on a carrier, I didn't face any dangers . I was safer on a carrier than driving down the highway. sure there could be steam rupter (which will kill you in seconds), I won't even mention a reactor accident, that was very unlikely. Either case we never have to face our enemy face to face.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by The diplomat

No, I don't support anyone killing for fun. But let's remember that who we are fighting. We are killing terrorists who murder, rape and abuse women and children. These terrorists are barbarians.

Now why is terrorism bad now, but good when Reagan was in power?

It seems to me it was perfectly acceptable to American Republicans to countenance the murder, rape and abuse of men women and children in El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua and Angola.


When did the Damascene conversion to being all touchy-feely about the human rights of foreigners take place?


Now, William Calley. Was he a barbarian terrorist ? His behaviour seems hardly distinguishable from that of some Islamic fundamentalists.

And if so, where did he learn his barbarity?


"The Viet Cong were not in the village and instead more than 500 unarmed civilians were brutally killed in an unprovoked attack by US troops.

Lieutenant Calley will be sentenced in the next few days after the verdict was announced at Fort Benning, Georgia today.

The jury of six army officers spent 13 days weighing up evidence from a four month trial.

They rejected his claim he was merely following orders in a military chain of command instilled in him since joining the army.

Lieutenant Calley faced four charges:

the murder of at least 30 "oriental human beings" at a junction of two trails

killing 70 others in a ditch

shooting a man who approached him with his hands raised begging for mercy

killing a child running from the ditch where the 70 died.

He was found guilty on the first three charges, although the number of the first was slashed from 30 to one because of conflicting evidence, and the death toll in the second charge was reduced to 20.

The final charge was reduced to assault with intent to kill a child of which he was found guilty."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/29/newsid_2530000/2530975.stm

Rape and kill American nuns- get out of jail (almost) free:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/137381.stm

[Atahualpa]

I want to rant a bit about the woman part.
Yes, the law treates women as second class citizen and there has been lots of negative comments, but I still think it's not fair to put the whole arab world in one boat as women beaters.

Besides, I might remind ourselves that violence against women is not something that isn't happening here at all. The difference is that women are protected by laws, but still we have the brothels that women from other countries get lured and trapped into. We form the tourists that go to other countries for whores.
We constantly argue about takeing away a woman's choice for getting the baby or not.
In Austria there have been several Women's Houses where women that get breaten by their men can turn to and these houses don't really receive much government support and in some cases if the women doesn't want to lose welfare she has to return to her husband and continue to bear the beating.

Just looking at the arab world, is like trying to whitetalk the situation in our countries.
Yes, it's better, but we are far from being angels.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Odin


That is a bunch of warm-and-fuzzy blank slate crap. Violence against people who are not a member of a person's group (clan, tribe, nation, ethnicity, religion, sports team, etc) is part of human nature, a trait we share with chimps.

No, it's not. It's a part of culture, or on a more personal level, a frame of mind. To say it's a part of human nature is to say that every human has acted like that, does act like that, and always will act like that - none of which are even close to being true.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Odin


That is a bunch of warm-and-fuzzy blank slate crap. Violence against people who are not a member of a person's group (clan, tribe, nation, ethnicity, religion, sports team, etc) is part of human nature, a trait we share with chimps.

I'm not talking about violence. I'm talking about braging about violence. That's macho, and it's cultural.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
None of the perps whp commited abuse at abu graib were combat soldiers, BTW. The attempt to connect the two just wont stand.

Oh come on. There's no reason to seperate the two because of some magical barrier existing between combat and non-combat soldiers. I'm sure that non-combat soldiers deal with a lot of horrible, rough **** as well.

Psychos exist in all strata, and it's pretty silly to set up such an artificial distinction to somehow "cleanse" the sentiments of Mattis.

Look, I'm fully aware that not all marines--in fact, I'll be optimistic and say not the vast, vast majority of them--share these sentiments. Being hardened in combat doesn't make one a de facto reveler in killing. I've got several veteran family members who can attest to that. So someone like Mattis strikes me as being the unstable anomally. And I find it disgusting people would try to mitigate his statements, which certainly do give the members of our military a bad name.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by General Ludd
No, it's not. It's a part of culture, or on a more personal level, a frame of mind. To say it's a part of human nature is to say that every human has acted like that, does act like that, and always will act like that - none of which are even close to being true.

Something being "human nature" doesn't mean that every human has to behave that way. One of the traits that marks humanity is our ability to overcome base instinct. That's part of sentience.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Yeah pretty funny fighting untrained and underequipped opponents.

What a moron.

A, and your point? We should strip our boys of their armor and advanced weapons to make it "fair?"

[Atahualpa]

try harder...

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
The Marine Corps of the united states is the only modern military unit I know about that seems to take pride in building up a reputation about themselves as a bunch of ignorant and stupid brutes.

I take it that you actually support coddling men who slap women around for five years for not wearing a veil. We should show these men "respect."