Bush denied Rumsfeld's resignation twice

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

And you call yourself a libertarian. How disgraceful. I thought you'd stand up for the freedom of the Iraqi people brought along by Rumsfeld and more importantly the Bush adminstration as a whole. Shame on you!

I was of the impression that the Libertarian Party was opposed to foreign interventions ...

[Dinner]

As a general rule Libertarians are opposed to just about everything; foreign or other wise.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Rummy wasn't resigning because he felt he should resign. He was just offering to fall on his sword.

if he didnt feel he should resign then he just offered something that was not his in the first place: it's the president's will that keeps secretateries in their seats.

so rumsfeld claiming that he was "willing to resign" is just a show off. if bush wanted him gone he had no need to "ask" him to resign.....

[Alexander's Horse]

Mark, its an anglo thing, people offer their resignation to show loyalty

[MarkG]

it's not anglo thing, it's a politicians' thing (our guys over here do it too, plus we've discovered politics you know )

and that's not showing loyalty, that's covering your behind ("i offered my resignation but the big guy said all was ok")

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by MarkG
it's the president's will that keeps secretateries in their seats.

Is this something about Clinton??

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MarkG
it's not anglo thing, it's a politicians' thing (our guys over here do it too, plus we've discovered politics you know )

and that's not showing loyalty, that's covering your behind ("i offered my resignation but the big guy said all was ok")

No, it's covering your boss's behind. Rummy wasn't saying, I'm guilty, I should go. He was saying, I'll be the fall guy for this. It's a loyalty thing.

[Kuciwalker]

And I think it is out of a sense of duty as well. I'm the one who was supposed to be in charge, so I'm guilty.

[Ramo]

Except Dear Leader doesn't think he did anything wrong. He's made that clear many, many times. If he fired Rummy, he would be publicly saying that his administration ****ed up, and thus he did.

[Kuciwalker]

I didn't say Bush thought he was guilty.

[Ramo]

Of course he doesn't think that. Shrub's infallible, so his administration is as well.

[Alexander's Horse]

Shrub works for God don't you know.....

[Agathon]

it's not anglo thing, it's a politicians' thing (our guys over here do it too, plus we've discovered politics you know

Considering you invented it and it's your word, that is a bit of an understatement.

[Alexander's Horse]

offering ones resignation without actually resigning is an Anglo thing - its a British Westminster tradition.

There were once conventions about when a resignation should be offered, for both ministers and officials. For example misleading the Minister was automatic for a resignation offer at officials level because if the Minister misled the parliament the Minister had to resign.

[Berzerker]

I'd say his integrity is high. Instead of ducking the issue and making Rumsfeld the fall guy Bush took the brunt. In an election year too.

Audacity or balls? I call balls.

It took an ability to look at oneself in the mirror no matter how ugly the picture. How do you put soldiers in cages for following orders and not hold the upper brass accountable as well - ALL the people responsible, not just a few disposables who might face court martial or at the least an end to their career if they don't do as told. They are the least culpable in this...

Clayton Hartwig all over again under a second Bush, and what truly amazes me is how the military is so
pro-Repub when its so obvious they get thrown to the wolves to save GOP a-holes from their responsibility.