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I support it also. I like the one were they strap you to a table, put a glass bowel on your stomach with a rat inside. apply blow torch and let the rat dig down into your gut. sounds cool!!!! that would make you talk.
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1. Your boy Albertorquemada Gonzales has tacit advocated torture.
2. Being a humanitarian worker in Afghanistan, like Rasul mentioned above, does not mean you have fought against the US. Detention is largely arbitrary.
3. Any citizen is protected by the Bill of Rights. Including folks like Hamdi, in contrast to the opinion of Speedy Confession Gonzales.
4. The Courts can review the Gitmo situation only because folks in the Center for Constitutional Rights strongly opposed totalitarians in the DoJ like Gonzales, and beat them in SCOTUS after three years of strong opposition.
Why do you hate freedom so much, Ned?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Then it could burrow its way into your lungs or stomach and crawl out your mouth to safety.
Torturing rats
Torturing Humans
Playing wordgames to justify it
Scrabble
Hangman
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
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I usually don't say people are hopeless, but some people just are.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Let's focus on 3. You limited the Bill of Rights to citizens. I assume, therefor, that your would contend that we have to give every "citizen" who is captured on the battlefield a "trial by jury" in which a prosecutor would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the man was an enemy combatant, and that if we did not, we'd have to release the detainee to again take up arms against the US?Originally posted by Ramo
1. Your boy Albertorquemada Gonzales has tacit advocated torture.
2. Being a humanitarian worker in Afghanistan, like Rasul mentioned above, does not mean you have fought against the US. Detention is largely arbitrary.
3. Any citizen is protected by the Bill of Rights. Including folks like Hamdi, in contrast to the opinion of Speedy Confession Gonzales.
4. The Courts can review the Gitmo situation only because folks in the Center for Constitutional Rights strongly opposed totalitarians in the DoJ like Gonzales, and beat them in SCOTUS after three years of strong opposition.
Why do you hate freedom so much, Ned?
BTW, I have heard it contended by the left that every detainee has a right to such a trial by jury. You don't go so far, do you?http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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This does make me angry. We're busy supporting this war of yours, you could at least have the common decency to turn our citizens over to our custody instead of keeping them in this camp of no returns.The three men, all British citizens, were saved by British intelligence officials, who proved that they had been in England when the video was shot, and during the time they were supposed to have been in Al Qaeda training camps. All three were returned to England, where they were released from custody.
The special relationship seems increasingly less special the more I look at the fine details.Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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Let's focus on 3. You limited the Bill of Rights to citizens. I assume, therefor, that your would contend that we have to give every "citizen" who is captured on the battlefield a "trial by jury" in which a prosecutor would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the man was an enemy combatant, and that if we did not, we'd have to release the detainee to again take up arms against the US?
BTW, I have heard it contended by the left that every detainee has a right to such a trial by jury. You don't go so far, do you?
No, I believe every detainee has the right to due process, regardless of citizenship. I mentioned citizenship because it was a weaker claim, and thus easier to prove - I don't want you to go off onto an irrelevent tangeant, so you could skirt the issues.
As to your specific question, yes, I do believe so. Just as if you were arrested for, say, murder, I would support your right to due process, and risk the possibility that you would murder again. Because I believe in freedom. Even for right-wing nutjobs.
But perhaps you could move on to your bizarre ideas of the Commander-in-Chiefs war-time powers', how he could ignore a specific law by Congress and signed by a President prohibiting torture, and how he could ignore a treaty passed by the Senate and signed by a President, and when the courts have not declared these laws and treaties unconstitutional. And how an attorney general, who is supposed to uphold the law, regardless of his opinions toward it, can have these ideas."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by Starchild
This does make me angry. We're busy supporting this war of yours, you could at least have the common decency to turn our citizens over to our custody instead of keeping them in this camp of no returns.
The special relationship seems increasingly less special the more I look at the fine details.
I don't know why you guys are even in it.
You are not gaining anything, well at least in the short term.
The American population overwhelmingly loves the UK, so I guess long term that is good, but if we keep going down this road, there would be no long term benefits.
Let's hope in 4 years this madness ends.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Originally posted by Ned
No one on the right has advocated torture.
YOU did.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Originally posted by Ned
Let me change the emphasis. "Because WE have been doing this torture crap...."
"WE" is the word intentionally used by the left in this context to denigrate this administration, the US military and the United States of America. The term "WE" is inaccurate, defamatory, libelous, scurilous, and hateful of America. That the left rejoices in defaming America is not unexpected. But it is both pitiful and damaging to this country.
Ted, you should be ashamed.
Yes, WE
The population of this country is tolerating this abuse, the population of this country should be held responsible. Some of us are frustrated that it goes on and try to stop but have no power.
But even more dispicable are jerks like you who condone it.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS SPEAKING LIBEL. THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNTIED KINGDOM HAS ASKED FOR THEIR CITIZENS BACK BECAUSE WE HELD THEM WITHOUT CHARGING THEM. THAT IS ARBITRARY. THESE ARE INNOCENT PEOPLE. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THE UK GOVERNMENT ON THAT?????????????Originally posted by Ned
The libel continues. No one on the right has advocated torture. Dententions of people captured in Afghanistan bearing arms against the US or its allies is not "arbitrary." POWs do not have the benefit of the Bill of Rights. No one undermined any review as the Supremes did in fact review the Quantanamo situtation.
While your defamatory litany goes on, it is solidly based in a quicksand-like platform of propaganda and conspiracy theories.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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We are not signatories to any treaty that forces us to do anything with al Qaeda.
Congress has pass a number of laws that curtail the CinC's powers. They have no power pass these laws under the constitution, and it makes no difference if some idiot president signed them.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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What the **** are you talking about?
Do you condone arresting innocent people (WHO ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH AL QUEDA OR THE TALIBAN IN ANY WAY ) and holding them in prison indefinitley, without charging them with any crime?We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Ted Striker,
You are do going to need aspirin after this.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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