9/11 victims deserved their fate

[dannubis]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Then why exactly are you argueing with me if you don't believe that the people killed in the attacks deserved to die?

just like anyone in his right mind would believe that the civilian casualties in iraq are wrong.

but i don't hear you *****ing about those...

so let's say i take your objections with a grain of salt. you don't believe innocent american civilians should die, you don't give a **** about any other people in this world.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Tuberski


Combat teams?

1. If the US killed children in Iraq, it was an accident

2. If these "combat teams" were hitting a military target and accidentally hit the towers, your argument would hold water.

3. Your "combat teams" targeted civilians.

4. "Combat teams" fight for their survival and train for their survival.

5. "Combat teams" don't learn how to fly an airplane without learning how to land it.

6. If the "combat teams" hit Finland, I'm sure you would say it was okay. Since obviously Finland had to have done something.

7. People that commit suicide, like these "combat teams", don't do it for logical reasons.

ACK!

Accident!!? Are you serious? There are no accidents in politics. The administration at the time knew what they were doing. It was power politics, a cold blooded mass murder in your name. In the name of America and freedom. Perhaps they though; If they cant be free, why should they live at all?

Your narrow interpretation of a a combat team is not as witty as you might think it is. The name is not important. Whats important is that these guys were as much terrorists as the guys bombing Baghdad. Do you train your pilots to bomb hospitals?

I dont see any reason for a combat team to attack Finland since we havent done anybody wrong. You in the other hand have. Deal with it.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by notyoueither


No, he expected the morons to show up sooner. Where did he say hate?

You enjoy being an idiot?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by laurentius
You enjoy being an idiot?

He is right though. I said nothing about hate.

so let's say i take your objections with a grain of salt.

You're free to do so. I don't see how you could without justifying the firebombing of Dresden by the Allies or of London by the Germans though.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

This article is so passe, so 2001. The soul searching after 9/11 came and went. Time to deal with the issues at hand and prosecute the war at routing out the remaining AQ cells. As for the blame US first crowd, who gives a flying f*ck.

[Kidlicious]

That's the attitude that is to blame.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I aim to please.

[Kidlicious]

You do offer up good material.

[dannubis]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You're free to do so. I don't see how you could without justifying the firebombing of Dresden by the Allies or of London by the Germans though.

i never said i agreed with what the article states. so i do not have to justify it with any firebombing or nuking of cities. i leave that to you freedom bringing guys.

i am just fed up with the moral higher ground issues here.

3000 amrican civilians dead : very bad, whining goes on for three and a half years. stupid guy comes along and says they 'deserved it' because of what their governement has been doing. OUTCRY of injustice, bad taste, whatever...

100000 iraqi civilians dead : my gives a **** is broken

way to go american freedom !!!

[lord of the mark]

this ward churchill is an idiot. He thinks that trading bonds is somehow equivalent to what Eichman did, cause the bond traders were cogs in the economy, and Eichman was a cog - apparently he thinks Eichmans main role was to set train schedules.

In fact Eichman among other things went to Hungary and directly pressured the Hungarian govt to hand over its Jews. Knowing precisely what that meant. (Which, BTW, is why the Hungarian govt didnt want to turn them over, and had to be pressured).

There were thousands of Germans who had "cog" roles parallel to the alleged roles of say, Cantor Fitzgerald traders. They were NOT executed, and for the most part, were not even imprisoned.

Ergo, Churchill is totally ignorant of the history of the holocaust. QED.


However I do not think he should be censored. On the contrary, I think his quotes should be made more widespread, so the people can better see the kind of idiocy thats out there.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Spiffor

So if I understand well, it would have been fairer if Moscow had been nuked than if the theatre had been attacked?

From what I understand, you imply that it is normal for a war to wish the complete obliteration of the society from where the opposition stems. In short, you seem to agree with the logics that genocide (extermination of a population) is a logical continuation of war.

Or am I wrong?

You are right and that's why I am very careful with justness and unjustness in such situations. Someone has to pay the price, the less the better.

Still his point remains, that you are member of a society and as such you cannot pledge innocent when you are counter-attacked, since everyone is part of the society, everyone is responsible for its actions.

[Saras]

lotm teh pwner

[Tattila the Hun]

I thought this was about www.godhates911victims.com

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
You are right and that's why I am very careful with justness and unjustness in such situations. Someone has to pay the price, the less the better.

Still his point remains, that you are member of a society and as such you cannot pledge innocent when you are counter-attacked, since everyone is part of the society, everyone is responsible for its actions.

I disagree.

True, in all cases, one remains a cog in the machine, no matter if they agree or disagree with the policies. It's not like there were many Americans who withheld their taxes to efficiently oppose the war in Iraq (despite the significant amount of Yanks who opposed the war adamantly), or it's not like there were a swoop of strikes on the matter. The only ones who have refused to be full-time cogs in the machine were the Italians, as they had huge, but short-lived strikes when Berlusconi announced his support for the war in Iraq.

And this is precisely the reason why we should revile taking the fight back to the "cogs": if we intend to earn our living, we have no choice but to be cogs, in one way or another. Now, we have a choice in the kind of cog we'll be (if you're a pacifist, you can reject being a soldier, or a civilian designing weapon systems for instance), but in all cases, your work will benefit your society in a way or another.

Thus, to admit that all "cogs" are fair game, is to admit that genocide is fair game: the complete and undiscriminate obliteration of a population.

[MarkG]

we are discussing an essay of university professor (!) that contains the following phrase

Gimme a break

'nough said.