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    CU prof's essay sparks dispute
    Ward Churchill says 9/11 victims were not innocent people

    By John C. Ensslin, Rocky Mountain News
    January 27, 2005

    A University of Colorado professor has sparked controversy in New York over an essay he wrote that maintains that people killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were not innocent victims.

    Students and faculty members at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., have been protesting a speaking appearance on Feb. 3 by Ward L. Churchill, chairman of the CU Ethnic Studies Department.

    They are upset over an essay Churchill wrote titled, "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens."

    The essay takes its title from a remark that black activist Malcolm X made in the wake of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    Malcolm X created controversy when he said Kennedy's murder was a case of "chickens coming home to roost."

    Churchill's essay argues that the Sept. 11 attacks were in retaliation for the Iraqi children killed in a 1991 U.S. bombing raid and by economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the United Nations following the Persian Gulf War.

    The essay contends the hijackers who crashed airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11 were "combat teams," not terrorists.

    It states: "The most that can honestly be said of those involved on Sept. 11 is that they finally responded in kind to some of what this country has dispensed to their people as a matter of course."

    The essay maintains that the people killed inside the Pentagon were "military targets."

    "As for those in the World Trade Center," the essay said, "well, really, let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break."

    The essay goes on to describe the victims as "little Eichmanns," referring to Adolph Eichmann, who executed Adolph Hitler's plan to exterminate Jews during World War II.

    Churchill said he was not especially surprised at the controversy at Hamilton, but he also defended the opinions contained in his essay.

    "When you kill 500,000 children in order to impose your will on other countries, then you shouldn't be surprised when somebody responds in kind," Churchill said.

    "If it's not comfortable, that's the point. It's not comfortable for the people on the other side, either."

    The attacks on Sept. 11, he said, were "a natural and inevitable consequence of what happens as a result of business as usual in the United States. Wake up."

    A longtime activist with the American Indian Movement, Churchill was one of eight defendants acquitted last week in Denver County Court on charges of disrupting Denver's Columbus Day parade.

    His pending speech at Hamilton has drawn criticism from professors and students, including Matt Coppo, a sophomore whose father died in the World Trade Center attacks.

    "His views are completely hurtful to the families of 3,000 people," Coppo said.

    A spokesman for Hamilton College released a statement noting that Hamilton is committed to "the free exchange of ideas. We expect that many of those who strongly disagree with Mr. Churchill's comments will attend his talk and make their views known."
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...501617,00.html

    Suprised there wasn't a thread already.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    only people in the second building are at fault.
    "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
    'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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    • #3
      Churchill's article

      Hint: If you thin that the article is portraying him negatively, don't click the link. You won't like what you'll see.
      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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      • #4
        They were all little Eichmanns, MRT144. All equally deserving of death according to Churchill.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #5
          Frankly, I can't say anything nice or respectful regarding this guy, so I'm just going to shut up before I pop a cork ... AND CRUSH HIS SKULL LIKE AN EGGSHELL!!!!

          Oops ... the cork popped. My apologies, folks.

          Gatekeeper
          "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

          "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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          • #6
            Hmm ... it looks like the man received multiple death threats and won't be speaking in New York state after all:

            Professor Talk Nixed After 9/11 Comment

            By WILLIAM KATES
            Associated Press Writer

            SYRACUSE, N.Y. — Citing death threats, an upstate New York college on Tuesday canceled a panel discussion featuring a professor who compared the World Trade Center victims to Nazis.

            Hamilton College spokesman Michael DeBraggio said multiple death threats were made against both college officials and guest speaker Ward Churchill, who resigned Monday as chairman of the ethnic studies department at the University of Colorado.

            In an essay written in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Churchill said the World Trade Center victims were "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who organized Nazi plans to exterminate Europe's Jews. Churchill also spoke of the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America.

            The essay attracted little attention until Churchill was invited to speak Thursday at Hamilton College, about 40 miles east of Syracuse, N.Y. Hundreds of relatives of Sept. 11 victims have protested the appearance.

            Administrators at first moved the scheduled appearance to a building that can seat 2,000, instead of the originally planned 300.

            Hamilton College President Joan Hinde Stewart had said the college was committed to free speech, "however repugnant one might find Mr. Churchill's remarks."

            On Tuesday, however, Stewart sent an e-mail to students, faculty and staff saying the college had a "higher responsibility ... and that is the safety and security" of the campus community. She said the threats were "credible" and had been turned over to police.

            Despite resigning as department chair, Churchill will retain his teaching job.

            Colorado Gov. Bill Owens called on Churchill to resign his faculty position too, saying taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize his "outrageous and insupportable" views.

            "If anyone could possibly be compared to the evildoers of Nazi Germany, it is the terrorists of the 21st century who have an equally repugnant disregard for human life," Owens said in a letter to the university's College Republicans released Tuesday.

            Churchill did not immediately return telephone messages and e-mails from The Associated Press.

            In an interview Monday with Denver station KCNC-TV, Churchill said he is not an advocate of violence, but that the attacks were a response to the way the United States treats people abroad.

            "The overriding question that was being posed at the time was 'Why did this happen, why did they hate us so much,' and my premise was when you do this to other people's families and children, that is going to be a natural response," he said.
            The man's giving *way* too much credit for the likes of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida terror organization. Guess he's just another one of those ivory tower, head-in-the-clouds types.

            Gatekeeper
            "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

            "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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            • #7
              He should retreat to Iceland and maybe have a nice game with Bobby Fischer every now and then.

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              • #8
                I totally agree with this article

                Sane, fresh thoughts....at last.

                Looking back, it will seem to future generations inexplicable why Americans were unable on their own, and in time to save themselves, to accept a rule of nature so basic that it could be mouthed by an actor, Lawrence Fishburn, in a movie, The Cotton Club.

                "You've got to learn, " the line went, "that when you push people around, some people push back."
                Last edited by laurentius; February 1, 2005, 22:43.
                Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                - Paul Valery

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                • #9
                  Some time after the 9/11 attack Osama Ben Laden owned up to the attack. During that speech he did not mention the bombing of Iraq as a motivation for the attack but instead cited the usual stuiff about the oppression of the Palestinians and US forces stationed in Saudi Arabia as well as demanding the conversion of the rest of the world to Islam, so it is not reasonable to claim that the 9/11 attack was "chickens coming home to roost" re: the deaths of Iraqi children.
                  "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                  • #10
                    Who says OBL had any influence over the combat teams?
                    Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                    - Paul Valery

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                    • #11
                      Q!

                      Originally posted by laurentius
                      Sane, fresh thoughts....at last.
                      I expected the trolls much sooner.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        Re: Q!

                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        I expected the trolls much sooner.

                        You hate opinions opposed to yours dont you.
                        Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                        - Paul Valery

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                        • #13
                          I dont understand. You post an article here expecting a discussion but do not show any respect towards other peoples opinions. Instead of trying to protect your thread from trolls you start to troll yourself?
                          Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                          - Paul Valery

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: Q!

                            Originally posted by laurentius
                            You hate opinions opposed to yours dont you.
                            Sorry. I'm such a little Eichmann.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              The next thing you or some other jackass here will do is probably try to label me as a "left wing loony" and continue living in your lalala-land

                              I think you hate freedom.
                              Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                              - Paul Valery

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