9/11 victims deserved their fate

[Berzerker]

Kid

I don't blame you. Otherwise you will find yourself going off on a million tangents. Each time you respond to him the tangents will only increase. That's his strategy.

Instead of answering my question you changed the subject again and again. Recap? Here is what you said:

I can say I'm opposed to jerking off all I want, but if I do it then I'm responsible.

And my response:

How does that make the person opposed to it responsible?

Instead of answering you said this:

How does being opposed to something make them not responsible? If I offer you $1 to give me a ride to go murder people, and you take it aren't you partially responsible even if you oppose murder.

Notice a change? I did... You went from your masturbatory practices to a ride and murdering people. I repeated my question pointing out how you changed your argument and you responded with this gem:

No you are changing my argument. Americans today are no different from Americans in the past who have hunted down Native American children like they were animals, enslaved African Americans, commited complete innocent Japanese to internment camps, dropped nukes on people, used violence against the working class for struggling for a living wage, deported and used violence against other peoples who they thought would contaminate their society, used our military to buly and force other nations to accept govts that were favorable, and more. Americans are not different today than they have been in the past. Don't tell me they are innocent. You know what they do. Yet you live your life like they don't do those things, and even defend them.

Notice another change? I did too... From masturbation to a $1 ride to murder people and now a litany of past crimes all the while accusing me of changing your argument. You dont need help with that...

NYE

We will have to wait for Berz to come back and say how you have it wrong.

I'm waiting for you to accuse Aggie and Kid of supporting terrorism like you did me a while back.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Berzerker
If you find cut and paste so offensive why do you cut and paste yourself? God I get tired of this double standard.

I think he's asking you to write a coherent essay of your own, not to simply cut and slash line by line what he said.

Honestly? I agree with him. These quote vs quote debates are boring. I can't tell what you stand for as much as I can tell what you are arguing against.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Berzerker
NYE

I'm waiting for you to accuse Aggie and Kid of supporting terrorism like you did me a while back.

I have and he does. Maybe you missed it.

[Berzerker]

NYE

I think he's asking you to write a coherent essay of your own, not to simply cut and slash line by line what he said.

Honestly? I agree with him. These quote vs quote debates are boring. I can't tell what you stand for as much as I can tell what you are arguing against.

I'm responding to a lengthy post in which he cut and paste. Why criticise me when he does the same thing? And I'm not posting in response to what you said, I'm responding to him. So just don't read our posts, real simple.

I have and he does. Maybe you missed it.

Where?

[notyoueither]

Just went back two pages and you're right. Have at 'em.

It's still a boring way to argue in a thread. TBH, I don't bother reading those hack and slash posts.

[Berzerker]

Does that mean you didn't accuse Aggie and Kid of supporting terrorists? TBH I don't care what bores you, I sure didn't have your sensibilities in mind when I responded to Aggies cut and paste post. I don't gripe at people for the way they debate but I do get tired of the hypocrisy of people using cut and paste only to whine when I do the same.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Berzerker

Molly

Why does Republican behavior mean the Sandinistas didn't slaughter Indians? That's why your comment about the GOP war on the Sandinstas is irrelevant.



If all I'm doing is giving you information you already had, why did you ask for sources for the Sandinstas crimes? And that last bit is BS, the Miskito Indians never felt any "solidarity" with the Sandinistas. Nicaragua is essentially 2 countries with the Indians on one side and the "Spaniards" on the other. The conflict began when Sandinistas won their revolution and acted as if this was a green light to walk into Indian lands and run their lives.

Republican lies doesn't imply anything about the behaviour, good or bad, about the Sandinistas. You must have some other argument in mind, that I wasn't presenting.

I hardly feel I've been obtuse: if anything perhaps too subtle. Sorry 'bout that.

The linkage is in the 'magical thinking' between Al Qaeda terrorists trying to get back to some Islamic Year Zero by bombing and killing civilians and non-Americans and the 'magical thinking' of the Republicans, apparently deluded into believing that people will happily welcome back mass murderers and torturers the more you kill and torture and maim and rape them, and that retrofitting a reason onto a secretly funded campaign of terrorism goes unnoticed by anyone outside the Looking Glass World of American Right Wing politics.

Now the reason I asked you for your source, should, as per the wording of your original statement about the Nicaraguan conflict, be obvious. You weren't assured of your facts.

You still aren't, if you imagine that the cultural-political divide in Nicaragua is between Spanish/Mestizo and indigenous Indian. It isn't, of course, because Nicaragua has a Caribbean coastal zone where the culture is black and Protestant and Anglophone, and dates from British Empire days.

And as I clearly pointed out, I supported the Nicaraguan Solidarity Campaign, which was not devoted wholly to propping up the Sandinista regime. Brush up on comprehension as well as reading. Try starting with the word 'Bluefields' .

And remember, as Pope said:

'a little learning is a dangerous thing'.

[Sikander]

Following the 1979 Sandanista revolution in Nicaragua, the Honduran Miskitos' isolation dissipated. After Sandanistas destroyed many Miskito villages on the Nicaraguan side of the Rio Coco, over 10,000 Nicaraguan Miskito Indians fled to Honduras. These refugees were placed in UNHCR camps along the border of both countries. By February 1983, the Nicaraguan Miskito refugees had settled (through UNHCR aid) in three Honduran towns: the Rio Mocoron, the Rio Warunta, and the Rio Patuca. In 1985 the UNHCR reported 18,000 refugees in Honduras; by 1986 the number had increased by 10,500.

From: http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/inscr/mar/data/indhon.htm

and from the left:

http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/indian/miskitos.htm

[Berzerker]

Republican lies doesn't imply anything about the behaviour, good or bad, about the Sandinistas. You must have some other argument in mind, that I wasn't presenting.

That was my point, you highlighted the irony (the hypocrisy) of the GOP

In any case, for Repugs to justify arming and aiding Contra terrorists to combat social injustice is rather ironic, don't you think

I'm not a Republican so why does their behavior relate to the Sandinistas? I agree with you, but its irrelevant nonetheless.

Now the reason I asked you for your source, should, as per the wording of your original statement about the Nicaraguan conflict, be obvious. You weren't assured of your facts.

I wasn't sure, just reporting what I've heard over the years from Republicans (a dubious source, but fairly accurate this time).

You still aren't, if you imagine that the cultural-political divide in Nicaragua is between Spanish/Mestizo and indigenous Indian. It isn't, of course, because Nicaragua has a Caribbean coastal zone where the culture is black and Protestant and Anglophone, and dates from British Empire days.

The links I provided show the Indians did not feel solidarity with the Spaniards and there was a cultural divide. Telling me there was none flies in the face of what I read.

And as I clearly pointed out, I supported the Nicaraguan Solidarity Campaign, which was not devoted wholly to propping up the Sandinista regime. Brush up on comprehension as well as reading. Try starting with the word 'Bluefields' .

That campaign sure didn't include the Indians regardless of who these particular"Nicaraguans" claimed to be. Are you suggesting the Sandinistas didn't attack the Indians? What exactly is your point anyway?
I'd say what the Sandinistas did was despicable and you seem to want to defend them but how do you defend their behavior?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Berzerker

Are you suggesting the Sandinistas didn't attack the Indians? What exactly is your point anyway?
I'd say what the Sandinistas did was despicable and you seem to want to defend them but how do you defend their behavior?

I haven't defended the Sandinista treatment of either the Miskito population, nor that of the coastal areas of the Caribbean.


As to what my point is, well, I've written simply and lucidly with the minimum of big words and relative clauses.

Can't see as I can do much more, really....

[Berzerker]

I didn't ask about your writing style, I asked for the point you're making.

[Kidlicious]

Berzerker,

Insert jerk off for murder, and there shouldn't be a problem.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by molly bloom




As to what my point is, well, I've written simply and lucidly with the minimum of big words and relative clauses.

Can't see as I can do much more, really....

Is a relative clause related to Santa? I know, I should know this because I am TESL qualified but anyway...

[Agathon]

If you find cut and paste so offensive why do you cut and paste yourself? God I get tired of this double standard.

Because it quickly gets ridiculous, and in your case, not mine, it is an attempt to introduce red herrings and irrelevancies that slow down and confuse the argument.

Your latest contribution fails again to deal with my actual argument, and I'm not getting into another pointless cut and paste marathon. Anyone who reads my last post can see what I'm getting at and see how you have it wrong.

[rah]

I can't.