And so it begins: Same-sex marriage law tabled federally in Canada

[notyoueither]

There you go again, KH. Always the practical one.

What you need to learn to cope with the coming age of Polygamy is to BEAT THEM SEVERELY, that way they won't nag you. You'll nag them.

[MikeH]

I think it should all be legal. Marriage between any group, two or more people of any sex/sexes. Who gives a **** who marries who or what kind of life they want to have together.

Make sure they all have the legal protection against abuse that anyone else has.

[notyoueither]

I care if 16 year old girls, raised in closed communities, are coerced into marriages with polygamist ****ers who chase off young men so there is no challenge to their position.

[notyoueither]

You're going to say, 'but that is abuse.' You're right, and I ask you to site a case where polygamy is not abuse.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Recognition in Europe of Polygamy? Where?

Indeed. Not only is polygamy illegal everywhere in Europe, it's actually being actively acted against. Which is more than can be said for certain areas of the US and Canada...

Freedom to practice religion? I'm sure there is something, somewhere, that recognises slavery in some religion.

Not just in some religion, in all 3 major monotheist religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. In fact, the Bible was used to justify the exploitation of slaves in the New World in colonial times.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why should marriage be between two individuals Fez? You cannot be an individual, and one with your partner at the same time.

The institute of marriage as it exists today in many countries including Canada discriminates against people of homosexual orientation. Gay marriage advocates merely seek to end this discrimination.

However, there's no such thing as a 'polygamic' orientation. Polygamy is purely a social construct, usually aimed at the exploitation of women.

Hence, gay marriage and polygamy have NOTHING in common and are completely independent issues.

That being said, I agree with MikeH, there's no reason why both gay marriage and polygamy should not be legal. Who is the government to tell people who can marry who and how people should live? Instead of fighting polygamy, I'd rather have the government fight the exploitation of women in general. There are still way too many monogamic marriages where women are being exploited as well...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
The rest will be forced to participitate in gay orgies and wear purple clothes.

Oh my gawd. Purple is so Seventies and hetero.


What were you thinking?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


What about organisations like say, the Knights of Columbus? Would they also be protected?

From what?

Developing common sense or entering the 20th Century?

[notyoueither]

I think he is saying they are an organisation with religious sensibilities, but who will not enjoy the protection of being a church under the proposed law.

No church will be forced to perform a gay marriage, but a Jewish community centre will be forced to host the party or be guilty of discrimination.

I agree it is a weak point in what is proposed.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Locutus


Indeed. Not only is polygamy illegal everywhere in Europe, it's actually being actively acted against. Which is more than can be said for certain areas of the US and Canada...

Positive about that? IIRC, Sweden recognizes polygamous marriages if they were entered in a country where polygamy is legal prior to immigration.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I think he is saying they are an organisation with religious sensibilities, but who will not enjoy the protection of being a church under the proposed law.

No church will be forced to perform a gay marriage, but a Jewish community centre will be forced to host the party or be guilty of discrimination.

I agree it is a weak point in what is proposed.

He's grasping at straws. But then again, a drowning man will clutch at a snake, and certainly his argument looks like it's going down for the last time.


Ooo-errr.... no double entendre intended.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You're going to say, 'but that is abuse.' You're right, and I ask you to site a case where polygamy is not abuse.

Just because something can be misused doesn't mean it should be banned.

Legalise them and regulate it like drugs, or cars.

[SpencerH]

Our marriage laws are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs i.e. 'one man and one woman'. IMO, once you reject the law to allow gay marriage you reject it outright and as a consequence must allow other types of marriage. Polygamy is not the problem, lack of enforcement of already existing laws that protect minors is the problem.

As an aside, it's strange to me that in a country like Canada, where govt interference and regulation is so pervasive so as to have become accepted by intelligent people as 'normal', that the conditions that NYE alludes to still exist. So much for the socialist utopia eh?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Our marriage laws are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs i.e. 'one man and one woman'. IMO, once you reject the law to allow gay marriage you reject it outright and as a consequence must allow other types of marriage. Polygamy is not the problem, lack of enforcement of already existing laws that protect minors is the problem.

As an aside, it's strange to me that in a country like Canada, where govt interference and regulation is so pervasive so as to have become accepted by intelligent people as 'normal', that the conditions that NYE alludes to still exist. So much for the socialist utopia eh?

The law in North America (outside of Louisiana) is based on Anglo-Saxon common law.


Which is non-Christian in origin.

[SpencerH]

US common law does derive from English common law and presumably from Anglo-Saxon law. Given the basis for the foundation of this country i.e. christian zealots seeking religious freedom I would argue that the basis of the marriage (in particular) and morality laws in the USA is christianity (even if you could provide evidence written in anglo-saxon that stated marriage was between one man and one woman). Although I'd be interested in such evidence I doubt that you can do so.

[Uncle Sparky]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


What about organisations like say, the Knights of Columbus? Would they also be protected?

You're right. Knights of Columbus members should be able to marry each other if they want. They might have to form a new group though, maybe Knights of Fire Island.

Actually, I'm against all forms of marriage.