Why has Capitalism failed to produce optimal value everywhere?

[Drogue]

Whatever your background, the fact that you believe in something, communism, means you are biased towards it. It means you look for things and interpret them subconciously as supporting it, if they can.

Your background doesn't give you bias, your opinions and beliefs do.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drogue
So every deal should have enforced equal power? For instance, a child saying "I want that" in a toy shop, when the alternative is fit of crying, is morally wrong, because the child has more bargaining power than the parent?

Ummm... The child does not have more bargaining power.

The whole idea that a deal is fair because two people agree on it needs to be abandoned, because it is obviously false. As far as deals go, I'm a communist so I believe in planning, not exchange.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drogue
Whatever your background, the fact that you believe in something, communism, means you are biased towards it. It means you look for things and interpret them subconciously as supporting it, if they can.

Your background doesn't give you bias, your opinions and beliefs do.

Your wrong. You're saying that we are incapable of being unbiased, or less biased.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Ummm... The child does not have more bargaining power.

The child is threatening the mother with embarressment and upset in order to get what they want. I'd call that a stronger position.

Originally posted by Kidicious
The whole idea that a deal is fair because two people agree on it needs to be abandoned, because it is obviously false. As far as deals go, I'm a communist so I believe in planning, not exchange.

Nobody's said it's fair. We said it's acceptable, and fine, but we're not arguing fairness. To make everything exactly fair would result in everything being bad, as it would be so extremely consuming to make every little thing totally fair that they'd be nothing left to appropriate. No deal is ever fair, as one side always has more bargaining power than the other.

What's planning, not exchange?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Your wrong. You're saying that we are incapable of being unbiased, or less biased.

You yourself have said we are incapable of being completely unbiased. That is what the definition of biased is though, having a leaning towards something.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drogue
What's planning, not exchange?

Production and distribution is decided as a whole instead of by individuals.

[Drogue]

By democracy?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drogue

You yourself have said we are incapable of being completely unbiased. That is what the definition of biased is though, having a leaning towards something.

I lean towards capitalism, because of my background. There is still a tendency for me to support policies and systems that benefit me personally. I see it in myself.

[Drogue]

Clearly you don't. If you are a communist, you lean towards communism. Whatever your background is pushing you towards, your experience/concience/thought is pushing you in the other direction, and that fact you are a communist shows which is stronger.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drogue
By democracy?

I believe in checks and balances. That's my political preference. As far as economics goes I think incomes should be pretty much equal, planning should be centralized, people should have choices, and goods and services should be produced that serve the public, and not a select few.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drogue
Clearly you don't. If you are a communist, you lean towards communism. Whatever your background is pushing you towards, your experience/concience/thought is pushing you in the other direction, and that fact you are a communist shows which is stronger.

I don't lean towards communism. I was quite right wing until about the age of 30. I went through something of a crisis in by belief system.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You can either work in the system and accept an unfair deal or you can die. That is your choice....

I think this fairly well summarizes communism.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Ned


I think this fairly well summarizes communism.

No, in communism you always get a fair deal because the government tells you it's fair. If you don't think it's fair, you're just plain wrong. And apparently unreasonable.

[Drogue]

Nice

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kontiki


No, in communism you always get a fair deal because the government tells you it's fair. If you don't think it's fair, you're just plain wrong. And apparently unreasonable.

And no one tells you your wages are fair now?