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What? You want to support that 'telling half truth is ALWAYS better than telling lies' based on a 'RISK' of bad something would happen? (You usually need an assertive statement to support an assertive claim.)Originally posted by Xin Yu
Huh? OK, let's say A tried to kill B but get killed by B for self defense.
Whole truth: B killed A on self defense
Half truth: B killed A
Lie: B did not kill A
Which is the worst?
Originally posted by BlackCat
The lie of couse. If you tell the lie you risk that C are executed for something he didn't do.
Besides, if you tell half truth, then B will be executed while he shouldn't be, with a larger risk.Comment
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That's why we don't execute people in civilised countriesOriginally posted by Xin Yu
Besides, if you tell half truth, then B will be executed while he shouldn't be
The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.Comment
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I can't imagine why B under any circumstances wouldn't tell the truth, but if he doesn't , well, then it's his choice.Originally posted by Xin Yu
What? You want to support that 'telling half truth is ALWAYS better than telling lies' based on a 'RISK' of bad something would happen? (You usually need an assertive statement to support an assertive claim.)
Besides, if you tell half truth, then B will be executed while he shouldn't be, with a larger risk.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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This talk about truth reminds me why the bible is like Pravda:
* They are both loosely based on reality
* They contain lots of half-truths, with a few truths and lies here and there to seem more convincing to the readerThe enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.Comment
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Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
This talk about truth reminds me why the bible is like Pravda:
* They are both loosely based on reality
* They contain lots of half-truths, with a few truths and lies here and there to seem more convincing to the reader
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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What if B cannot defend himself? He maybe a foreigner and cannot find a interpreter, or he maybe disabled.Originally posted by BlackCat
I can't imagine why B under any circumstances wouldn't tell the truth, but if he doesn't , well, then it's his choice.
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That will be provided by any sane legal system.Originally posted by Xin Yu
What if B cannot defend himself? He maybe a foreigner and cannot find a interpreter, or he maybe disabled.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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OK. So you think B will be fine even when there is a witness (who is telling half truth) against him. No problem. But you also think that some other guy, C, when the witness is telling a lie, will have a big problem when there is no such witness against him. Wouldn't C's situation be better than B?Originally posted by BlackCat
That will be provided by any sane legal system.Comment
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The are many problems with this. For example, humans had been singing and drawing long before the abstract concept of "art" was created. Was that art? Is the stuff painted on cave walls art, or just messages?Originally posted by Xin Yu
In my post, singing and drawing were two examples of the unique human behavior associated with art. Do you consider your examples enough to show that other species are able to do arts as well?
Birds sing, is that art? Some birds make very beautiful nests. Is that art? Which brings us to the question of "what is art?"(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."Comment
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This is ironic. It appears that you are the person who are trying to put up an argument without knowing what you are talking about.Originally posted by beingofone
Some of the posters on your side of the debate are just not worth responding to because of the lack of logical conceptual thinking and eternal nitpicking. I don`t want to be rude, but man, at least try to understand the other side of the argument before you respond.
For example, you asserted that you read five biographies of Einstein, and they all supported an argument you made. Yet you have refused to provide the names of them.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."Comment
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You got me. I made it up because I have very low self- esteem. I mean, I need to impress people I don`t know and in all likelyhood will never meet because I have no friends.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
This is ironic. It appears that you are the person who are trying to put up an argument without knowing what you are talking about.
For example, you asserted that you read five biographies of Einstein, and they all supported an argument you made. Yet you have refused to provide the names of them.
Thats not all - winning the debate with you means way to much to let a thing like possibly learning from your experience and thought get in the way of my ultimate goal which is winning the debate.
Winning is supreme - therefore it is secondary to learning anything from you.
I firmly believe I could learn a great deal from you but I am sorry I cannot allow this to happen as my ego needs to be gratified - and that means challenge every single word you post even if I know for a fact it is right. I will deny it is right because I must win the debate.
Right now you are probably viewing me as your enemy.
I assure you- I am being a friend that cares about you , I will take a much bigger hit then you will. And true friends sacrifice themselves for you.
But you probably don`t understand what I am talking about at all. One day you will, I hope.You have made peace with the evil Wheredehekowi tribe-we demand you tell us if they are a tribe that is playing this scenario.
We also agree not to crush you, if you teach us the tech of warp drive and mental telepathy and give 10 trinketsComment
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How do the witness know that it is only a halftruth he is telling ? In his opinion it's the truth. If he knows it's a halftruth he is telling because he knows it was selfdefence, then he is actually lying.Originally posted by Xin Yu
OK. So you think B will be fine even when there is a witness (who is telling half truth) against him. No problem. But you also think that some other guy, C, when the witness is telling a lie, will have a big problem when there is no such witness against him. Wouldn't C's situation be better than B?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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It's quite easy to find quotes to support one's argument if one has read what one is purporting to have studied.Originally posted by beingofone
You got me. I made it up because I have very low self- esteem. I mean, I need to impress people I don`t know and in all likelyhood will never meet because I have no friends.
Many biographies and philiosophical and scientific texts are either wholly or partly available on the Internet.
It's also remarkably easy to take written notes whilst one is reading, and refer to those notes or references in debates.
Getting snitty because you've been found out just makes you look immature.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18. "
"Nothing truly valuable arises from ambition or from a mere sense of duty; it stems rather from love and devotion toward men and toward objective things."
"The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self."
"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Anyone want to guess who said all these statements?Last edited by beingofone; February 1, 2005, 07:19.You have made peace with the evil Wheredehekowi tribe-we demand you tell us if they are a tribe that is playing this scenario.
We also agree not to crush you, if you teach us the tech of warp drive and mental telepathy and give 10 trinketsComment
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